Topic Title: May Build A New PC
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 02/21/2013 02:23 PM
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Hey guys,

 

I'm toying with building a new computer for myself. My current computer is in my signature---it's doing what I need it to do, but is getting a little dated. Recently it's decided to take about five times to turn on, and I've traced it down to that infamous Asrock. I've got everything backed up, but when it finally decides to go, I don't want to be without a computer.

 

I'd like to carry over my current PSU, GPU, and probably hard drives (because the major companies are still milking the monsoon that occurred years ago). Basically I'm looking for a CPU/motherboard/RAM combo.

 

My main question is...what's the deal with AM3+/FM2? I was under the impression that AM3+ was the main socket with the best performing processors, and FM2 was the side-HTPC thing not exactly meant for super performance. However, looking at the base Bulldozer and the A8-5500 (basically same price and number of cores), the Trinity seems to use less power WHILE including a cheap GPU, and seems like it even beats the Bulldozer in some tests.

Bottom line, I guess I don't quite GET the point of Bulldozer.

However, I don't want a socket that is obsolete in a year the way FM1 was. I haven't been able to find much on the future of FM2. It does seem a bit more specialized than AM3+ (less boards, etc), but it kind of seems like the better option at this point!

To be honest, both of those CPUs are a little more than I want to spend at this point, but the idea of building a new system and still having a dual core CPU doesn't appeal so so much to me.

 

Wondering what your opinions were of the "competing" architectures/sockets.

 

Thanks!!



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 02/21/2013 02:52 PM
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The only reason FM1 was replaced with FM2 was because they further integrated it, so FM2 should not be replaced until AMD switches to DDR4 in a year or two. The biggest questions are what games do you play and which resolution do you use. Most all games are still having trouble using more than two cores, one reason while the APUs game very well. But if you don't really play any crappy console ports, and A10 system would be a great value system.

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 02/21/2013 02:56 PM
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I have a midrange 17" monitor that can't support the resolutions most people play at. I do very basic gaming, and have a poopy GT430 anyway, haha.

Checked around a bit more...I guess the Trinity's dont have L3 cache, but are based on the newest iteration of Bulldozer: Piledriver. Seems like an awesome system! It also seems like AMD is planning on using FM2 for at least the next generation of APUs.

Wahoo. Thanks for the reply!



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 02/21/2013 03:15 PM
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If you can wait a little while AMD is about to release the successor to Trinity, Kaveri.

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 02/21/2013 03:18 PM
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Hmm...what does "about to release" mean? I'm not a huge fan of "waiting for the next big thing", except maybe to lower prices on what's currently out.

 

An A8-5500, 8GB G. Skill DDR3 1866, and a decent A75 board on my doorstep for $210 is looking a little ridiculously tempting.


To be honest, I won't order anything for awhile...I like to research the crap out of things, but just the idea of that cost seems pretty awesome.

 

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 02/21/2013 04:31 PM
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In your case, I wouldn't be inclined to wait on Kaveri either.  If the about-face they just did on the GPU front is anything to go by, I wouldn't expect much in the way of major releases any time soon.  From the sounds of it your current rig might die completely before we know much of anything about it anyway.

The biggest problems with Bulldozer were that it was designed to be a speed demon, and that it introduced new rules for how apps should be threaded in order to perform well.  Normally that wouldn't be a big deal, but I'm thinkin it probably fell short from what the projected clock speeds were, and for whatever reason AMD didn't account for the change in threading before the launch.  As a result, it tanked in nearly all the tests that were done on the desktop, and since it's also got a TDP that's way out of line compared to the competition everyone sort of hates it.

I don't think Bulldozer is a bad chip, it just wasn't a good fit for the desktop at the time it was introduced.

An A8 or A10 sounds like a good idea to me since you'll be gaming at what we consider "low" resolutions these days where the integrated GPU should be able to handle things.  If your setup changes, then you can still hook up a discrete GPU and use that instead.



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 02/21/2013 07:55 PM
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Given your upgrade cycle... or lack of one, lol, I'd go big or go home.

 

my Vishera is a killer system so far, and if you find the right deals (like I did), you can get the CPU for under $170, and a good board around $100. RAM prices are at present back on the incline, so buy what you can afford there. I asked at another forum, and I was told that DDR3 2133Mhz was best bang for buck, and anything in excess of that made little sense, even for overclocking.

 

Hope that's worth something.



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 02/22/2013 12:08 AM
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I was going to say...what's with RAM?? For awhile there were ten sets of 8GB DDR1600 on Newegg for $30, now the cheapest are $45. I guess I will wait and see what deals Newegg sends out in the emails.

Now here's a question...Vishera is Piledriver based...Trinity is Piledriver based...so is Trinity Vishera based? Just without the L3 cache? Or is there a lot more to it then that? I'm trying to figure out what the big advantage of the Bulldozer chips is compared to the Trinity chips.

 

I won't be dropping $200 or $170 on a single CPU. It's true...I don't have an upgrade cycle...I keep flogging a system along until it just doesn't do what I need it to do, but I've never bought the best of the best. Just isn't in the budget.

 

If I weren't folding, and this system wasn't giving me some issues, I'd probably stick with it for another year or so, haha!

 

Curious though Lobster--how is that CPU with heat, and are you folding with it?

 

Thanks for the input guys. Trinity is looking good for me.

 

EDIT: I was planning on keeping the GT430 for folding, but the current heat sink kind of sucks, and some aftermarket ones don't fit because it's a low profile card. Sigh.



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 02/22/2013 08:02 AM
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What heat?

 

 

Obviously that's an idle system, but loaded up, I haven't seen it crack 45 yet.

 

No, I don't fold anymore, unfortunatly, even us in texas aren't immune o the idiocracy occuring in the DC, and power costs are on the rise, and my incomes not going with it.



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Mmmmm what idiocracy do you speak of? Hahaha. There's no disagreement here, but what do you mean specifically?

 

What are the USB3 temperatures?

 

And electricity prices are definitely something to consider...but this poor college student is currently paying a little too much for an all utilities paid apartment..so I'm not exactly hesitant to let this PC sit here and fold all day.



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I'm just in general ticked off. Both sides to blame, but one more than the other, and I'm being vague. But gas prices just spiked, and not for the reasons they're giving, the president used the national fuel reserves prior to the elections, now they're restocking it. Coal power is being taxed to oblivion, locally natural gas is finding it harder to start wells. Essentially DC is killing affordable energy, cold turkey. I'll stop on that topic.

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These forums still suck on a phone.USB3 is the temperature at the usb3 controller.also, the sequestration thing directly affects me, so I'm getting politically ancy lately.

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 02/22/2013 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by: technic58Now here's a question...Vishera is Piledriver based...Trinity is Piledriver based...so is Trinity Vishera based? Just without the L3 cache? Or is there a lot more to it then that? I'm trying to figure out what the big advantage of the Bulldozer chips is compared to the Trinity chips.

It's the same basic architecture... just tweaked for different purposes.  Since Trinity overlaps into laptops, AMD had to take that into consideration by chopping off bits and pieces until it could fit into a tighter thermal envelope.  Vishera doesn't have that restriction, so they were free to flesh it out a bit more.  The biggest difference is the integrated GPU.

If you can make use of the integrated GPU, and the CPU is fast enough for what you need, then you can save yourself a bundle and skip the discrete graphics card altogether.



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 02/22/2013 01:33 PM
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Haha what self control you have Lobster. I'll let that go also. Sigh.

These forums still suck on a computer, too. I can't even make my signature without a bunch of dumb spaces easily. Fusetalk is such...well anyway.

Yep, a Trinity APU sounds like the way to go for me. I'll keep you guys posted when I begin buying.

Thanks guys!



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Originally posted by: technic58 Haha what self control you have Lobster. I'll let that go also. Sigh.

These forums still suck on a computer, too. I can't even make my signature without a bunch of dumb spaces easily. Fusetalk is such...well anyway.

Yep, a Trinity APU sounds like the way to go for me. I'll keep you guys posted when I begin buying.

Thanks guys!



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Yeah... The above was me quoteing from my phone, lol, I typed a message and.... Its gone. Lol.anyway, in response to self control: you have no idea!

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This forum eats posts as well.

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Originally posted by: Immortal Lobster
Originally posted by: technic58 Haha what self control you have Lobster. I'll let that go also. Sigh.

 

These forums still suck on a computer, too. I can't even make my signature without a bunch of dumb spaces easily. Fusetalk is such...well anyway. [IMG][/IMG]

 

Yep, a Trinity APU sounds like the way to go for me. I'll keep you guys posted when I begin buying.

 

Thanks guys!

 



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Wanted to thank all of you guys for all of the advice, once again.

 

Due to some inspection-mandated repairs on the car, this new computer isn't going to be built any time soon. I'll keep my eye out for deals, though, and keep you posted.

 

Thanks



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 03/07/2013 01:43 PM
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Recently it's decided to take about five times to turn on, and I've traced it down to that infamous Asrock. I've got everything backed up, but when it finally decides to go, I don't want to be without a computer.

 
I'd like to carry over my current PSU, GPU, and probably hard drives (because the major companies are still milking the monsoon that occurred years ago). Basically I'm looking for a CPU/motherboard/RAM combo.


Since you mention you may have to hang on with your current rig for little while longer...

In my experience the reason for multiple tries to turn on a computer is usually, in this order :

- Failing, weakening PSU
- Failing capacitors on motherboard, more exactly the voltage regulation circuitry

If you have had run FaH for long periods on that rig, it is a killer.

I have had a few rigs in my use-to-be folding farm going quite bad quickly after reaching a certain age.

For the failing caps on motherboard, it is usually visible. For the PSU not, worth to try with
another spare PSU.

You may still find a good pre-owned s939 motherboard for say ~ $10 ?



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