Topic Title: I'm selling a book on Amazon
Topic Summary: And you should go buy it!
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 04/14/2013 09:40 PM
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Bahaha. I'm a broke college student who is attempting to sell a thing or two here and there. When those few things sell, I'll be getting a cheap refurb SSD for this laptop. And I'm pretty excited for that. This 5400rpm drive has plagued me long enough.


I'll probably pick up one of the OCZ Agility 2 or Vertex 2 drives on Newegg right now for $40-50 bucks, flash it to the latest firmware, and hopefully end up with one of the drives that doesn't crap out in a few months. This laptop only has SATA2 anyway, so one of those should be more than adequate.

 

I currently have a 640GB drive that I'm using next to no space on, but a 90GB would be preferable anyway, if I can swing it. We'll see.

 

Wahoo!

 

 



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 04/15/2013 05:34 AM
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I would go with a 128 gig vertex 4, sufficient enough to hold OS, some programs, personal stuff, some digital entertainment maybe.. you should always want to hold at least half of the SSD empty, the more full it gets, the crappier it will perform and.. there is no link to the book



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 04/15/2013 09:09 AM
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In my experience with OCZ SSD's, which I have 5, once it is half full it switches modes and takes a couple of minutes to reorganize itself but after that performance comes back up. My 256GB Vector has 77GB free of 256GB and a transfer of a large movie file from my 512GB Vertex 4 still shows between 425-440MB/s speeds, same for the reverse transfer. However, they are new drives with SATA III and more advanced controllers. On my OS drive, a several years old VertexLE with the enterprise level Sandforce 1500 controller, I only get about 100MB/s writes in both AS SSD and a large file transfer, but still 200MB/s sustained reads and it's over half full, so the new Barefoot controllers seem to have removed that little penalty. And my 60GB Vertex Plus R2...Well, it didn't have much performance in the first place, it's a cheap (<$30) budget drive for my page file and temp files to save wear on my more expensive drives.

Just make sure you manually disable Disk Defragmenter, Win7 doesn't detect all SSDs as SSDs.

Oh, and the SMART data on my VertexLE says - Power-On Hours 12226h+01m+15.920s
Life Left 100

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Edited: 04/15/2013 at 09:35 AM by black_zion
 04/15/2013 11:27 AM
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Good to know that the newer drives are getting better about handling larger amounts of data.

I would also love a newer drive, but it's not even slightly in the budget, and like I said, I only have SATA2 anyway.

 

And it's just a $40 buck electrical engineering book that no one seems to have much interest in...I guess it isn't prime book buying time.



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 04/15/2013 04:18 PM
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Aye they are, next time I do an OS resinstall, which I cannot foresee because it is a pain in the butt on dialup, I'm going to end up replacing my VertexLE with a Vector. I have been eying those refurb OCZ drives on Newegg too, especially the Revodrives. Even though they don't support TRIM, there is a utility out there called AS Cleaner, you can get it Here from the OCZ forum which you run "With FF" checked and it will reset all free blocks to clean like TRIM does. They say to run a a defrag program before to consolidate and free up as many blocks as possible, as half filled blocks won't be reset by AS Cleaner.

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 04/16/2013 10:43 PM
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You are on dial-up?



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 04/17/2013 08:38 AM
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Yes I am, because AT&T would rather spend $140 Billion to buy a majority stake in Vodafone than upgrade their US network. I pay $30 a month for dialup including the second phone line, which is more than most pay for >1Mbps DSL.

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 04/18/2013 09:38 AM
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Damn you technic, you made me buy the refurbished OCZ Vertex 3 240GB, though it isn't a bad deal at 50¢ per GB. I'm going to use it to replace my Vertex Plus R2, the bit of extra space will let me keep more on-machine backups. Even though it is a refurb, I'd rather trust OCZ's refurbs than WD's retail kits.

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 04/18/2013 03:27 PM
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Bahaha. You just keep telling yourself that I MADE you do it

I was going to reply and say "shoot, you should have gotten the Agility 3, that was on sale for a really good price today!" then I realized...you did. Nice! Hope you enjoy it! I'll just be here...jealous...with my textbook that keeps getting listed for ten cents more than some other wise guys. Psh.

Feel like getting rid of your Vertex Plus?



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 04/18/2013 04:04 PM
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Sure if you want it, though it is a slow "budget" SSD, only rated for 180MB/s reads and 80 MB/s writes, though in practice it's more like 225/80.

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 04/18/2013 11:45 PM
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Ah. I was under the impression that the 60GB version was rated the same as the 120GB version. Sigh. I was all excited, but I don't know that that would be worth the hassle to put in my laptop. Thanks anyway, though.

Post in about how that Agility treats you. I'm eying that one up as well...



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Thankfully it is shipping from a local warehouse which is also next to a UPS hub so I'll get it in tomorrow. I'll fill it full, which shouldn't take long, and securely erase it with the OCZ Toolbox a few times to stress it. I'm expecting it to perform better than my Vertex 4 (which is optimized for high queue depths) but less than my Vector, though in its use as a temp file and page file drive the top end speed isn't going to matter as much as the random 4K performance.

In a laptop though a SSD can't really shine. In my MSI GT735 I put in a 128GB Agility 4 and it can't even come close to its top speed, but it's worlds faster than a 5400RPM drive.

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 04/20/2013 02:21 PM
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Well, keep us posted. I won't be getting my SSD anytime soon. Seems like a large number of people are now trying to offload my book on Amazon, and the price is down to around $20 from around $40 a week ago. Boo.

About the SSD not being able to shine in a laptop--why would that be true?



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 04/20/2013 02:33 PM
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Laptops are built differently, not all of them support AHCI, and not all of them support SATA III, but it's still way faster than a HDD, and a better option than a Seagate Momentus, as most laptops have a SD slot and SDXC cards are cheap.

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Ah, that's true. Hadn't even thought about using flash memory for extra storage. That makes more sense than an external hard drive...less bulky and (generally) more reliable. Mmm.

 

Thanks for the information



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That was Microsoft's argument for such a small drive in their Surface tablets, and it is true, I paid $45 for my PNY Polaroid 64GB SDXC card for my new digital camcorder (love it), it's only rated for 35MB/s writes/50MB/s reads, but tablets aren't high performance devices.

So far the Agility 3 seems to be doing alright, though it has only been a day and a half. I loaded it full of data, securely erased it, and did it again, erased it, and then started using it. The only thing which bothers me is that the SMART data readout shows 6 retired blocks, which is unusual, but I imagine it has 256GB worth of chips on it but only 240GB usable with the rest for reallocation, same reason my 100GB VertexLE has 28GB of space for wear leveling and reallocations. It's something to keep an eye on for sure, as my VertexLE with over 12200 hours of power on time still has 0, and the VertexLE were supposed to have faulty controllers!

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Edited: 04/20/2013 at 10:59 PM by black_zion
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Yeah, definitely keep an eye on it. I'm really not familiar with SSD's at all, so I don't know if that is a sign of bad things to come, similar to bad sectors, or if it's as normal as say...selling a printer with no USB cables. If it's going to fail, hopefully it does so in that 180 day window.

 

*Knocks on Wood*



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