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 03/04/2014 02:32 PM
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http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/endofsupport.aspx



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 03/04/2014 03:27 PM
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There is an argument to be made that most of this problem comes from the fact that programs they use were left unpatched by the developer to push their new versions, which may have little inherent difference from the previous version, the same way textbook companies release a new version every year or two even though it may be the exact same book with a few different pictures and page numbers. Photoshop was a good example of this...was it CS5 or CS6 which has a known security vulnerability which Adobe said they will not fix so users must upgrade to the newer version? But there is no excuse to why they should not upgrade to Windows 7.

The larger problem comes from the fact that many ATM machines, grocery store self checkouts, and the regular registers, all run Windows XP or XP Embedded, and all of these are connected to the internet. Even if they're not, some hacker somewhere has probably already found a flaw they can exploit with a specifically crafted fake debit card that can withdraw any amount of money they want.

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I think the count-down clock is cool. Now the XP hanger ons will know to the second how long they have to upgrade or face the consequences...as every hacker out there knows it too.



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Yea, but your average senior citizen who only uses a computer for email and Facebook isn't going to realize the significance. I finally got my parents to upgrade from XP to 7 after years of trying.

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And apparently Microsoft thinks so too, since they launched the site http://www.amirunningxp.com/ which looks like this if you are running XP (image taken in IE when using Windows XP Mode)



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That is great...I think they are heading off the "I didn't know and somebody hacked into my account and I lost all my money because Microsoft didn't patch the hole where the bad things came in" lawsuits.



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Originally posted by: black_zion And apparently Microsoft thinks so too, since they launched the site http://www.amirunningxp.com/ which looks like this if you are running XP (image taken in IE when using Windows XP Mode)

Can you reduce the size?



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I did.

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(Reuters) - Banks around the world, consumed with meeting more stringent capital regulations, will miss a deadline to upgrade outdated software for automated teller machines (ATMs) and face additional costs to Microsoft to keep them secure.

The U.S. software company first warned that it was planning to end support for Windows XP in 2007, but only one-third of the world's 2.2 million ATMs which use the system will have been upgraded to a new platform, such as Windows 7 by the April deadline, according to NCR, one of the biggest ATM makers.

 

To ensure the machines are protected against viruses and hackers many banks have agreed deals with Microsoft to continue supporting their ATMs until they are upgraded, extra costs and negotiations that were avoidable but are now likely to be a distraction for bank executives."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/14/us-banks-atms-idUSBREA2D13D20140314?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=76



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 03/14/2014 12:49 PM
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I hope Microsoft makes them pay out the butt for support. However one has to wonder quite how vulnerable they really are considering they run one program every day, they don't open emails, go to infected websites and click on porn vids, and they are most likely behind several walls of protection to keep someone from pressing a button in China and making thousands of ATMs spit out all their cash. Still, it could leave them vulnerable to a specifically crafted fake debit card. Look how many security exploits are found that really just take specifically crafted text file.

Don't know why ATMs, POS systems, and other "simple" machines can't run on Linux instead, possibly a specifically created ultra secure "Bank Vault Linux". Or hell, why not Windows CE?

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Hi I guess if you are not a avid pc user anything will do until you lose money. But to be honest I think a lot are for some reason I can not understand are falling for the phone call your pc has errors let us connect to fix it and of course mess up the pc and charge your credit card. I saw that the USA homeland security phone number has been hacked and is being used for this type of phone call there responce is they can not figure out how it was hacked and have not been able to fix it how secure do you feel now. Ask yourself the question how do these people even know you have a pc. I know most people do not beleive this but you need to use common sence with pc's and all things.

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Speaking of hacking into an ATM running Windows XP: http://www.tomsguide.com/us/at...heist,news-18524.html

At least one brand of ATM can be robbed by sending the machine a text message, then walking up and collecting the ejected cash.

It's not quite as simple as it sounds. The ATMs, which in this case are actually Windows PCs, need to be running Windows XP and need to be infected with a Trojan called "Backdoor.Ploutus.B" or simply "Ploutus," which can only be installed by loading a CD into the ATM's optical-disk reader.


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