Topic Title: Wanting to Buy My First SSD
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 03/21/2014 10:23 AM
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technic58
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Hey,

I have the laptop in my signature--it's a pretty nice laptop, but the 5400rpm HDD is just holding the laptop back. Especially now that I end up restarting it often to switch between the two graphics cards (doing this in the BIOS is now the best way to do this; Acer completely stopped supporting the laptop with updated drivers).

I've been thinking for awhile about throwing in an SSD. I do have some questions:

1. With the updated models, is it still true that you'd want to keep it below half full? Does this matter? I'd probably be looking at a 120GB model in my price range.

2. If I see that it has a Sandforce controller, should I run screaming in the other direction, or are updated controllers okay?

3. It seems like Samsung is the best at the moment from reviews, what are some other solid companies? I would have just gotten the dated Kingston SSD, but heard that they switched to really junky parts that don't provide the same performance or stability. I only have SATA3, so don't need top of the line.

I also would have thought about refurbed Vertex drives for the price, however, I can't deal with that short warranty.

Thanks for any recommendations!



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 03/21/2014 10:43 AM
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Just like any other piece of hardware, it all depends on how much money you want to spend and availability.

 

Here is a recent review of some of the top drives out there right now:

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7864/crucial-m550-review-128gb-256gb-512gb-and-1tb-models-tested/5

 

I just purchased two Samsung 840 Pro 128 GB and put them in RAID0, but they are not the cheapest (although I got them on sale for $125 CDN).

 

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 03/21/2014 10:51 AM
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Hi well a 128 gig ssd drive will not give you much space for programs and files. Now western digital has released a new drive it is a WD Black² dual drive. It is 2 drives in one a 128 gig ssd drive for windows and a few programs plus a 1 tb part for storage and programs. I do not know what you are looking to spend but it would be a good solution.

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 03/21/2014 10:58 AM
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Right now you can save $40 for this guy:

 

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148694

 

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The MONSTER HTPC:

CPU: AMD FX-8350.||.Cooler: Corsair H80i
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Case: CoolerMaster HAF 932.||.PSU: Corsair HX750
GPU:Asus R9 270X DirectCU II TOP.||.Audio: Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro w/ Logitech Z-5300e (5.1, 280W-RMS)
System Drive: 2xSamsung 840 Pro 128GB RAID0.||.Working Drive: 2xMushkin Chronos 60GB RAID0

 03/21/2014 11:45 AM
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Hi yes the new WD black is 2 seperate drives in one not really A hybrid drive like seagates. You would first install windows to the ssd part then install a driver to give you access to the 1 tb part.

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 03/21/2014 12:30 PM
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Seagate's drive uses the internal firmware to "cache" frequently used files (Windows files, applications, etc) to the SSD, so you do not actually see it the way you do with WD's drive. Reviews show it takes as little as two boot cycles for the drive to learn Windows and only a couple of uses for other program files. Think of it as a sort of hardware level ReadyBoost. The downside is the flash cache is quite small at 8GB, but if you think about how many files are actually used on a regular basis on a laptop (Windows boot files, your office suite's files, internet browser) it is quite small. Myself, I would spend the extra money and go for the Samsung 840 Evo 500GB SSD for $259.99. Yes it is expensive, but it is all the capacity you will ever need, and can be transferred to any new laptop you buy which uses a SATA interface, which most non "thin and light" laptops do.

I love OCZ, but since they were bought out by Toshiba I wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole in full HAS-MAT gear unless they were under 40¢/gb. Seagate also has a range of SSDs, but they are more enterprise focused.

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 03/21/2014 01:38 PM
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Hi black_zion 259.99 for a 500 gig ssd is a great price when we consider what they where costing just a few months ago. I agree with you that would be the drive to use.

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 03/21/2014 03:32 PM
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Samsung's TLC technology has really allowed them to take the price war in their own hands. The Samsung 840 Evo 1TB SSD is only $459.99. From what I've read, and owners of a Samsung TLC based drive feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, the "840 Pro" is the top of the line, best of the best, professional grade, while the "840 EVO" line is slightly slower, only noticeable in synthetic benchmarks, home user grade. I would liken it to the difference between OCZ Vertex and OCZ Agility drives.

To go back to the OP's other questions,

1. It is not really necessary to keep the drive under 50% capacity anymore. While you will see a reduction in write speeds (reads are unaffected) in an unlimited system, such as a desktop, a laptop's capabilities will not tax the drive to the fullest.

2. Sandforce used to the be best of the best, but all of the controllers are pretty much on par with each other.

3. OCZ and Samsung are the top dogs now, Intel is hitting back with a new controller.

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Edited: 03/21/2014 at 03:53 PM by black_zion
 03/21/2014 11:37 PM
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Wow, lots of replies! Thanks guys!

Let's see. The Black2 is an interesting thing that I didn't know existed, so thanks for that!

Unfortunately it's out of my price range. The Seagate Hybrid drives are a better price, but regardless of whether or not it has an SSD, I just don't think I could pay for something with a 5400rpm HDD in it. SSDs larger than 240GB are also out of my price range.

I was also looking at the Crucial M500 that QB recommended. It's getting real good reviews. It'd probably either be that or the Samsung EVO 120(128?). I think I'll start cleaning up my laptop and really make sure I can make do with around 100GB. I don't store a lot. If not, I may need to stretch for a 240GB.


Thanks!

 



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 03/22/2014 12:49 AM
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@ black_zion

 

I am loving my two 840 Pro 128's in RAID0...  stupid fast.  And as I use Windows more I am definately seeing a boost in responsiveness over my two Mushkin Chronos 60's in RAID0...  It was a waste of money in reality, since I certainly did not need to do the upgrade...  but I was feeling down, and they were on sale, and I said f**k it 

 

It's the 4k that Windows utilizes the most.  And as you can see the 840 Pro's have a small boost in that category.  SandForce controllers (my Mushkin Chronos 60's) use compression and as such un-compressable data (the kind used in AS SSD) suffers in the Sequential part of the test.

 

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The MONSTER HTPC:

CPU: AMD FX-8350.||.Cooler: Corsair H80i
MB: Gigabyte 990FXA-UD7.||.RAM: 8 GB Mushkin Blackline DDR3 2000MHz (7-10-8-27-1T)
Case: CoolerMaster HAF 932.||.PSU: Corsair HX750
GPU:Asus R9 270X DirectCU II TOP.||.Audio: Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro w/ Logitech Z-5300e (5.1, 280W-RMS)
System Drive: 2xSamsung 840 Pro 128GB RAID0.||.Working Drive: 2xMushkin Chronos 60GB RAID0



Edited: 03/22/2014 at 01:05 AM by QB the Slayer
 03/22/2014 11:25 AM
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My results. Note that all drives are over half full so they aren't running at their best.



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 03/22/2014 11:30 AM
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Welllllll. Seems like I should be looking for a 240GB SSD. Which means I will have to wait a while to save up. I deleted some 70GB of data from my laptop that wasn't needed and arrived at 190GB. Ha! I can do better, but I am limited by a few very large programs that I need to have installed.



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 03/22/2014 12:47 PM
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If you need more storage you can always get an external USB3 drive as well, but either of those SSDs from Samsung or Crucial will beat the pants off that old drive, and save on battery power as well.

Larger SSDs are often a bit faster than the smaller ones. 240 is a good choice of an OS and apps drive.  The sizes below 120 I wouldn't use as anything other than a file cache.



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 03/22/2014 09:36 PM
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I'm limited to USB2 on this laptop. But I do plan on putting the 640GB drive in an enclosure whenever I get the SSD. I probbaly would be fine having a few things installed on the external drive rather than locally.

I'm noticing that as well--a lot of the larger drives are also much faster. Interesting.


Well I won't be getting anything unless something REALLY goes on sale, now that I need a bigger size. Thanks all for the input!



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 03/22/2014 10:21 PM
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Check Newegg over the next few weeks, they usually have them on a good sale for Easter, and keep an eye on their daily deals.

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 03/22/2014 11:59 PM
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One of the best ways to track deals is to put them into your cart and check the cart daily...  that's how I found my 840 Pro's for $125 CDN on newegg.ca

 

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The MONSTER HTPC:

CPU: AMD FX-8350.||.Cooler: Corsair H80i
MB: Gigabyte 990FXA-UD7.||.RAM: 8 GB Mushkin Blackline DDR3 2000MHz (7-10-8-27-1T)
Case: CoolerMaster HAF 932.||.PSU: Corsair HX750
GPU:Asus R9 270X DirectCU II TOP.||.Audio: Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro w/ Logitech Z-5300e (5.1, 280W-RMS)
System Drive: 2xSamsung 840 Pro 128GB RAID0.||.Working Drive: 2xMushkin Chronos 60GB RAID0

 03/26/2014 11:03 PM
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How about Seagate dude? I heard it's great. Wondering if i could get this one with discount this Easter.

 03/27/2014 09:34 AM
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Seagate's SSDs are to professional oriented and overpriced vs Samsung to recommend them at this time.

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