Topic Title: Windows Server 2012
Topic Summary: No 3D options in Catalyst Control Center, many other tabs are missing too
Created On: 09/28/2012 01:36 PM
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 09/28/2012 01:36 PM
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Fresh install of Windows Server 2012, .Net Framework 4 and Desktop feature are both installed. The AMD display driver looks functional, but the Catalyst Control Center offers no 3D options and misses a lot of tabs:

 

 

Sometimes on system start this warning pops up:

 

 

Have already reported via Catalyst Feedback and I'd love to see it fixed soon.

 

 09/28/2012 02:13 PM
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From the release notes:

Compatible Operating Systems

The latest version of the AMD Catalyst software suite is designed to support the following Microsoft Windows platforms:

Windows 8 32-bit version
Windows 8 64-bit version
Windows 7 32-bit version
Windows 7 64-bit version
Windows Vista 32-bit version
Windows Vista 64-bit version
Windows XP Professional
Windows XP Home Edition
Windows XP Media Center Edition
Windows XP Professional x64 Edition


Don't see Windows Server 2012 on there...

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 09/28/2012 04:13 PM
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Right, you will hardly find an AMD/ATI driver designed for any version of Microsoft Windows Server now, before, or any time in the near future. Yet, the general statement from AMD has been that Catalyst is "Windows Server Ready" but is "not [fully] supported officially" by AMD. Since it's not quite an AMD's plan to divert users from installing AMD cards in one's (graphics) server systems, mature Catalyst versions have always been compatible with Server 2003/2008 and 2008 R2. But early drivers alsmost always had problems. Therefore, I am looking forward to see a good compatible driver for Windows Server 2012.

Long live AMD.

 09/29/2012 11:58 AM
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You have those issues because you're using CCC from 12.9 beta, and the display driver from windows update or 12.8. At least I think so. Currently I cannot check driver versions to compare, only the behavior of CCC suggests this.

The 12.9 display driver wasn't installed /that's why you should use advanced install and read what you actually see there, not just click next, next, next.../.

First try installing the driver separately through the device manager. If it fails, disable the driver signature enforcement, and try agin. If it fails agan, then you're out of luck unfortunately.



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 09/29/2012 02:32 PM
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@Eydee, I have not done what you accuse me of:

 

Originally posted by: Eydee You have those issues because you're using CCC from 12.9 beta, and the display driver from windows update or 12.8. At least I think so. Currently I cannot check driver versions to compare, only the behavior of CCC suggests this.

 

The 12.9 display driver wasn't installed /that's why you should use advanced install and read what you actually see there, not just click next, next, next.../.

 

First try installing the driver separately through the device manager. If it fails, disable the driver signature enforcement, and try agin. If it fails agan, then you're out of luck unfortunately.

 

 

Why do you think so? No, both the driver and the ccc are from latest Catalyst 12.9 beta.

 

To clarify again, this is a fresh copy of Windows Server 2012 clean installed on a new partition. Then I added the necessary features, rebooted and installed original Catalyst 12.9 Beta from here. I did not mix old and new, both the driver and ccc are from the latest 12.9 beta:

 

 09/29/2012 02:38 PM
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Give these drivers a shot. Uninstall the old ones first and use driver fusion to clean up.

http://benchmark3d.com/amd-catalyst-9-001-september-4



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 09/29/2012 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by: stumped Give these drivers a shot. Uninstall the old ones first and use driver fusion to clean up.

 

http://benchmark3d.com/amd-catalyst-9-001-september-4

 

Thanks @stumped. The driver you suggest looks to be an unofficial build without any special focus on Windows Server 2012. Although this is probably a good build, I feel I'm doomed to be going round in circles until AMD really looks into this issue.

Catalyst 12.9 installs without any errors with a healthy green check mark in the end. As a result, the driver works well but the Catalyst Center misses many tabs.

 09/30/2012 05:23 AM
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@Servelius:

You don't understand. You didn't mix anything of course. It's just the driver not being installed, and the one built into the OS being used.

Could you post a screenshot of the 12.9 installer running on your server with all the components listed in advanced install?



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 09/30/2012 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by: Eydee @Servelius:

 

You don't understand. You didn't mix anything of course. It's just the driver not being installed, and the one built into the OS being used.

 

Could you post a screenshot of the 12.9 installer running on your server with all the components listed in advanced install?

 



@Eydee, thanks for your input, your reasoning looks logical. However, your assumptions are wrong. Like I twice mentioned, I installed both the driver and the catalyst by running 12.9 setup, and of course I had both the driver and the catalyst listed as available options (but not yet installed). I had no AMD driver before the setup.

I have dealt with Catalyst drivers since XP times and I'm well familiar with the process. I never use device manager to update drivers, and the first thing I do before turning on Windows updates is install missing server features and drivers. When I'm set and all's working, only then after a while I turn on windows upates. But again, I never get drivers from windows update. Windows Server installs blank without any drivers at all, since this is server system, not a client like Windows 7 or 8.

So I downloaded latest Catalyst from AMD site, ran the installer and had these options available:

Catalyst Install Manager
Display driver
AMD HD Auio driver
C++ Redist... (this one was greyed out as usual)
Catalyst Control Center

All were available without any yellow marks, everything installed without an error, my screen went black for a second and then back on with the screen resolution changed to its native 1080p.

By now I have tried both 12.8 WHQL and 12.9 beta. Driver fusion didn't do the trick. Same issue in both versions. Unlike 12.8 though, 12.9 doesn't show pop-up messages on start, but still there's no 3D options tab in Catalyst. Anisotropic filtering, antialiasing, ML_NA etc. are listed in the registry, but not in Catalyst. Please note I din't modiry any entries, just looked them up out of curiosity.

 

 09/30/2012 04:46 PM
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Now that I look at it, you list "Catalyst Control Center". It is also readable on your screenshot. I may be mistaken, but it should be AMD Vision Engine Control Center for any recent video crad. You either are using an old, unsupported card, or both the installer and CCC (AMDVECC) are too stupid to recognise the version number of the OS. You never mentioned what kind of hardware you are using, despite what the sticky thread says.



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 10/01/2012 04:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Eydee Now that I look at it, you list "Catalyst Control Center". It is also readable on your screenshot. I may be mistaken, but it should be AMD Vision Engine Control Center for any recent video crad.

You don't understand, "AMD Vision Engine Control Center" is the title for AMD CPU+AMD GPU on board, while "Catalyst Control Center" is the title for hardware with Intel Cpu+AMD Gpu. Read more on this.

 

Originally posted by: EydeeYou either are using an old, unsupported card, or both the installer and CCC (AMDVECC) are too stupid to recognise the version number of the OS. You never mentioned what kind of hardware you are using, despite what the sticky thread says.

Wrong, my hardware is still supported and is Intel Core i7, Radeon 5870 1gb. I have no problem with this hardware in Windows Server 2008 R2. But early Catalyst drivers did not install properly in Windsows Server 2008 R2 either. This very likely is due to different architecture of the new OS why CCC is not right (missing tabs). "Missing tabs" is even on the symptoms list of the Catalyst report form, and I reported.

 10/01/2012 07:34 AM
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Although 2 versions of Windows Server o/s had some sort of support for them, if things are still as they've been since forever, then Windows Server o/s still aren't tested with the drivers ( according to the AMD Beta Driver tester who used to hang around the forums ) .. It's something which has had very little support for as it's a server based o/s and not a mainstream gaming/applications based one, it's been like that since .. since T-Rex was around .. So, you'll just have to wait and see if later drivers work or not .. and don't be too surprised if they don't.



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Originally posted by: Servelius You don't understand, "AMD Vision Engine Control Center" is the title for AMD CPU+AMD GPU on board, while "Catalyst Control Center" is the title for hardware with Intel Cpu+AMD Gpu. Read more on this.

I admit I didn't know that. But who would think with a sane mind that AMD punishes us for having AMD CPUs. LOL.



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