XP is legacy? Since when?! LOL. Than You for this info. I hope that AMD bankrucy fast and in pain. They lost already loyal customer since 15 years. Going into nVidia.
Originally posted by: black_zion Philosophical question: If AMD loses stupid customers like this, are they really losing anything?
I dont know who cares about Yours opinions but I am SURE that this is not my wallet (and my friends too). AMD sinks. I recommended AMD/ATi product to many people, but NEVER again. Never. Bye-bye.
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Not necessarily Eyedee, all he said is "where are the drivers for XP", he didn't give the card he has, so for all we know he may have a legacy (pre HD 5000 series card) or even an AGP card, and he didn't say which version of XP he was using (very old 32 bit or very badly thought out XP x64). Also in the release notes of 12.10, there is no support for Windows XP, as several sites point out (ngohq.com and hardwarezone.com are two I found in about 2 seconds doing a search), the latter of which points out that programs are starting to drop XP support altogether. Doesn't matter of Windows XP is still "officially supported" by Microsoft, it is up to the software developers to decide if it is a good use of time and money to continue to support a decade old OS which lacks support for modern hardware features and is used mostly by businesses (who don't need cutting edge hardware and software), ATMs (XP Embedded), people with older machines who don't require cutting edge drivers (as in a legacy machine for legacy games, or a closet server, or so forth), as well as older people who either can't be bothered to upgrade because all they do is Facebook and browse the internet, or live in a third world country where using a modern OS is not on the top of their things to buy list. Doesn't matter which category they fall in, none of these people require the latest drivers, so AMD shouldn't continue to support it and focus on Windows 6.x and save the $250 they would have spent on WHQL Certification.
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Originally posted by: black_zion Not necessarily Eyedee, all he said is "where are the drivers for XP", he didn't give the card he has, so for all we know he may have a legacy (pre HD 5000 series card) or even an AGP card, and he didn't say which version of XP he was using (very old 32 bit or very badly thought out XP x64). Also in the release notes of 12.10, there is no support for Windows XP, as several sites point out (ngohq.com and hardwarezone.com are two I found in about 2 seconds doing a search), the latter of which points out that programs are starting to drop XP support altogether. Doesn't matter of Windows XP is still "officially supported" by Microsoft, it is up to the software developers to decide if it is a good use of time and money to continue to support a decade old OS which lacks support for modern hardware features and is used mostly by businesses (who don't need cutting edge hardware and software), ATMs (XP Embedded), people with older machines who don't require cutting edge drivers (as in a legacy machine for legacy games, or a closet server, or so forth), as well as older people who either can't be bothered to upgrade because all they do is Facebook and browse the internet, or live in a third world country where using a modern OS is not on the top of their things to buy list. Doesn't matter which category they fall in, none of these people require the latest drivers, so AMD shouldn't continue to support it and focus on Windows 6.x and save the $250 they would have spent on WHQL Certification.
While most of this is true, until AMD announces leaving XP behind, the drivers are supposed to be available on the download page. If I have to guess, they will appear in a few days.
It is also true that he didn't mention his card, but someone looking for 12.11 beta is probably someone with a newer one. I may be mistaken of course.
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And here all the time I thought it had to do with DX10. If I made a mistake it was because of the OP stating .." still no drivers for this system" which led me to assume (I know) his card fell into the legacy catagory.
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Supposedly nVidia has plans to drop Windows XP support after the release of their next generation cards as well, but it comes a time when you as a business needs to say "do we need to support 4 operating systems, 3 of which have the same kernel and same unified driver which support the latest hardware and software features, and one is a decade old, lacks support for modern features, is being dropped by Microsoft themselves from Microsoft programs (such as Office 2013), and requires special attention"
@black_zion
Your hatred of XP is almost legendary here. Microsoft has been desperately trying to kill off XP since the Vista days, but hasn't been successful in doing so for a variety of reasons. Microsoft allowing Windows 7 volume license holders to get XP on their systems says a lot. The fact that Microsoft is extending upgrades to Windows 8 all the way back to XP is another testament to that since it usually only applies the OS from the previous generation... now it goes back THREE generations.
XP has even somewhat outlived Vista. AMD's support for Vista got scaled back along with XP, despite Vista sharing the same code as 7 and 8. More people have clamored for XP support than Vista (probably be due to Vista's smaller user-base and the fact that hacking 7/8 drivers onto Vista is likely easily doable).
People are still using XP because there's nothing wrong with it. Except for the die-hard hold-outs, people will move on when their XP system finally dies or when they decide to get a new system (not likely due to current global recession/depression). Or when standard RAM usage requires more than 3GB (since XP64 was never widely available), but that's very unlikely given the current woes of RAM manufacturers. Until that happens, XP users will remain a significant potential user-base. User support translates to OS support. And XP still has plenty of users loving it.
I feel people shouldn't worry too much about XP support getting scaled back. XP is now a very mature and stable OS and there are far fewer problems on it than on any of its successor OS'es. XP will come to an end one day. It's already slowly coming, but it's still a long way off. It'll likely live to see Windows 9. I'll be surprised if it outlives Windows 7 support though.
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