Topic Title: Slow 2D Graphics on Radeon 5450
Topic Summary: Brand new video card. Makes my new quad-core feel like an old Pentium III.
Created On: 02/08/2013 12:02 AM
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 02/08/2013 12:02 AM
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lindholmb
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I just installed a Sapphire HD 5450 video card into my Asus M5A78L-M LE motherboard (which also carries an AMD Athlon II X4 640 CPU).  The computer is running Windows XP Home Edition SP3, and I installed Catalyst 13.1 drivers.

In short, 2D performance is stunningly slow.  I can actually see it repaint the screen with Firefox, the Windows Start menu, or whatever else I might try.  Feels completely unaccelerated.

In contrast, if I dual-boot into Debian Linux (running the non-proprietary radeon DRM driver), 2D performance is VERY fast.  Precisely as I would expect.

How can I get graphics under Windows to run equally fast?  This is amazingly frustrating.

And note: I pulled out an NVidia 8400GS card to make room for this new Radeon 5450 card.  The NVidia behaved flawlessly under Windows, but caused weird audio crackling in my Insignia NS-32L450A11 television (connected via DVI-to-HDMI cable).  The Radeon is the other way around.  Flawless under Linux.  Pitiful under Windows.



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Asus M5A78L-M LE Socket AM3+ motherboard (w/BIOS 1302), AMD Athlon II X4 640 CPU @ 3000 MHz, Sapphire Radeon HD 5450 video, 8 gigs PC3-12800 memory, Antec SmartPower 2.0 450W power supply, running Windows XP Home Edition SP3 and Debian Linux 7.0 x86_64.

 02/08/2013 06:30 AM
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XP support for newer cards has been terrible for many years now. No wonder, XP is almost dead, only 1 year remains of its extended support. It's 12 years old, if I'm not mistaken.

Your Athlon II setup should be more than enough to run Vista, 7 or 8. Unfortunately you can't run new hardware with old software forever. You'll need to upgrade your OS or find an older video card and use it with old drivers.

Linux is also a good alternative. Unless you need to run windows games, it can do almost anything you need.



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CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 810 @ 3120MHz | RAM: Kingmax 2x2GB DDR2 800 @ 833MHz| MoBo: MSI K9A2 CF v1.0 (BIOS: 1.D)| GPU: Asus HD 6850 1024MB (DirectCu) @ 835/1135MHz | Display: L24FHD | PSU: PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad | OS: MS Windows 3.11 Pro x64

 02/08/2013 09:24 AM
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Argh.  That's the second time I've heard about weak driver support for XP.  I was really hoping to stall on the Windows 7 install until early 2014, but I may have to bite the bullet now...

And yes, Linux is indeed a good alternative.  I love it and do about 95% of my computing with it.  About all I do in Windows is watch Netflix and occasionally update the firmware & maps in my GPS unit.



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Asus M5A78L-M LE Socket AM3+ motherboard (w/BIOS 1302), AMD Athlon II X4 640 CPU @ 3000 MHz, Sapphire Radeon HD 5450 video, 8 gigs PC3-12800 memory, Antec SmartPower 2.0 450W power supply, running Windows XP Home Edition SP3 and Debian Linux 7.0 x86_64.

 02/08/2013 09:41 AM
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Try something in the 10.x driver range for that card. Antique OS, low power card, not using it to play games means no need to use the latest drivers. Start with 11.1 and work backwards 3 releases at a time (11.1, 10.10, 10.7, etc).

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 02/08/2013 10:04 AM
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Where does one find old ATI drivers?  I've scoured the AMD site, but can find only 13.1.

[Side note:  I removed 13.1 and used the drivers from Sapphire's CD-ROM.  "Cat. 12.8" according to markings on the disk.  It behaves *much* better, even though I no longer have the Catalyst Control Center.  Given how rarely I run Windows, I'm going to declare "good enough".]



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Asus M5A78L-M LE Socket AM3+ motherboard (w/BIOS 1302), AMD Athlon II X4 640 CPU @ 3000 MHz, Sapphire Radeon HD 5450 video, 8 gigs PC3-12800 memory, Antec SmartPower 2.0 450W power supply, running Windows XP Home Edition SP3 and Debian Linux 7.0 x86_64.

 02/08/2013 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by: lindholmb Where does one find old ATI drivers?

Here.



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 02/08/2013 05:28 PM
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YOU REPLIED WITH JUST A LINK! YOU SHOULD BE BANNED! According to...well you actually in This Thread

But if 12.8 works fine for you then I'd stick with it. VECC isn't really necessary unless you love to fine tune things and modify 3D settings, which since you don't game don't really apply to you.

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 02/09/2013 02:29 AM
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Originally posted by: black_zion YOU REPLIED WITH JUST A LINK! YOU SHOULD BE BANNED!

Yes, I know. I do live a dangerous life... Though no matter how hard I tried to find "here" on the internet, there was no such page or address. Probably it's not just a link then.



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CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 810 @ 3120MHz | RAM: Kingmax 2x2GB DDR2 800 @ 833MHz| MoBo: MSI K9A2 CF v1.0 (BIOS: 1.D)| GPU: Asus HD 6850 1024MB (DirectCu) @ 835/1135MHz | Display: L24FHD | PSU: PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad | OS: MS Windows 3.11 Pro x64

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