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 10/06/2013 09:59 AM
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You know some of us for some older games still use Windows XP, this shouldn't be suprising. Low and behold I buy your 7790 and you don't offer Windows XP support for it. Why not is what I want to know, are you not interested in competeing in the market with Nvidia, I can get drivers for there latest cards with XP support. My options are I guess to take this back and get a GTX 650Ti correct? Or do you have any plans to release a Windows XP driver, the OS hasn't been EOL'd yet. Please fix your lack of support or I'll take my money elsewhere.

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 10/06/2013 11:13 AM
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Go ahead and go to nVidia if Windows XP is that important to you then. If you want to use an OS for 6 more months that does not support the features of modern hardware and software then who are we to stop you?

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 10/06/2013 11:21 AM
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I don't need advice from cod kiddies where are the actual knowledgeable people from the old and CPU forums. The two current people don't seem to understand much

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 10/06/2013 11:43 AM
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Marc, Kent, and the other guys will tell you the same thing, AMD ceased Windows XP support some time ago.

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 10/06/2013 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by: candle_86 I don't need advice from cod kiddies where are the actual knowledgeable people from the old and CPU forums. The two current people don't seem to understand much

LOL, the guy with 5 years and 10000+ posts is a cod kiddie. Seriously, just get off these forums. Now.



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 10/06/2013 12:02 PM
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I'm sorry but 2008 is a little new for me, I've been with the AMD forums since 2004 so yes. Anyone that also says use it for only 6 months has obviously never been through a windows EOL becuase he seems to assume it magically stops working, my 486 running Dos 6.22 and Win 3.1 would like a word with you. What boggles my mind is how ignorant the users so far have been, they think only in terms of whats current, and have a bad grasp at older idea's. I'm sure this Athlon XP 1700+ pc with a 9700Pro would confuse them as well. Someone go find me Mime he has anwsers always has

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 10/06/2013 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by: candle_86 I'm sorry but 2008 is a little new for me, I've been with the AMD forums since 2004 so yes. Anyone that also says use it for only 6 months has obviously never been through a windows EOL becuase he seems to assume it magically stops working, my 486 running Dos 6.22 and Win 3.1 would like a word with you. What boggles my mind is how ignorant the users so far have been, they think only in terms of whats current, and have a bad grasp at older idea's. I'm sure this Athlon XP 1700+ pc with a 9700Pro would confuse them as well. Someone go find me Mime he has anwsers always has

Sure, yes, I'm typing this from my P4 machine that runs XP. XP does have its place and will have. However, it's not supposed to be used with new hardware. Why? Because it prevents hardware and software makers from using new technologies that are not supported by XP. Not to mention that now they have to take linux seriously, and have no choice but to drop not only XP but Vista as well. Yes, they could hire more programmers and stuff, we all think that. But we also know that business doesn't work that way.

 



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 10/06/2013 12:15 PM
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actully Windows XP does support all the new hardware, what id doesn't support is things like DirectX10/11 because Microsoft never wanted to try, but it supports the newest verions of OpenGL. XP can see as many cores as you want, can use your ram if you know how to configure it to see more than 3gb of ram. What it comes down to is this, AMD dropped support for an operating system before anyone else did, a year before its support ends, and call me crazy but from a bussiness standpoint saying I'm sorry but get Nvidia seems rather like a terrible direction for any company. I'd go broke if i told people sorry take your system to this guy, I don't work on XP anymore, id loose money. With as much money as AMD is bleeding doing whatever they can to interest people should be there no1 goal, becuase its not suprise,AMD hasn't been running in the black since 2007.

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 10/06/2013 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by: candle_86 actully Windows XP does support all the new hardware, what id doesn't support is things like DirectX10/11 because Microsoft never wanted to try, but it supports the newest verions of OpenGL. XP can see as many cores as you want, can use your ram if you know how to configure it to see more than 3gb of ram. What it comes down to is this, AMD dropped support for an operating system before anyone else did, a year before its support ends, and call me crazy but from a bussiness standpoint saying I'm sorry but get Nvidia seems rather like a terrible direction for any company. I'd go broke if i told people sorry take your system to this guy, I don't work on XP anymore, id loose money. With as much money as AMD is bleeding doing whatever they can to interest people should be there no1 goal, becuase its not suprise,AMD hasn't been running in the black since 2007.

What XP doesn't support is WDDM. That means taking care of 2 completely different code bases. More if you count legacy branches.

What you don't seem to understand is how a business works. They don't care if 100 people cries or goes to nvidia because of no XP support. Why? Because supporting XP costs way more than losing 100 customers, even 1000. It is as simple as economics, and this is why asking them is futile.

Whatever Intel and nvidia do does not matter. AMD has to care about AMD first. They have good cards with good drivers, almost no one complains, not like a few years ago. They have the whole next gen console market. They can do whatever they want and don't have to compete with nvidia that much. Nvidia is the one that has to catch up seriously, if they wish to survive the next years.



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 10/06/2013 12:35 PM
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not sure your aware of the current standings right now, AMD may have the console market, but consoles themselves are dying off soon as well, Microsoft and Sony are already looking into streaming there games to your laptop or desktop computer, while the big money the last 2 years has been F2P which doesn't work on consoles, because companies have to license the right to make the game for said console.Now lets add in another problem facing AMD right now is that there CPU division is bleeding any profit there GPU's make, they may be good CPU's but considering price/preformance/watts there is a better alternative in every segmant for every user because the IPC of AMD's chips are that much lower than the next guys. And Nvidia is sweating whats going on, they have a nice contract with Microsoft for the Tablets, they have the scientific industry looked down with CUDA, and right now they still have the fastest GPU on the planet, and if AMD's future HD 8970 benchmarks are correct I'm sure Nvidia will have a response to it very quickly.My point is this, I build computers for others, I also support systems for others, now what I recomend to others is based on fact, and in the last year I have built around 2000 desktops and upgraded at least 10,000 more for small compains, churchs ect. Now that is what we call Volume, and given the treatment of Legacy OS's by AMD how can I expect this trend not to continue, first XP which I can honestly say more than a 3rd of my clients still use it either as there primary or as there secondary OS, for programs that are expensive to replace, now when there systems die, do I tell them to go Intel/Nvida or AMD/AMD thats the question now isn't it. I'm not one guy, I'm one guy that supports sevral small compaines and churchs.

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Some reactions.

Console market: Yes, it will die. Not today and not tomorrow though.

FTP model: Steambox. This is why AMD has to take linux seriously now. More than XP or Vista.

nvidia: They can go out of retail video card business without dying technically. They almost did back at the Fermi fiasco. Who knows what'll happen next? I don't.

AMD CPUs: Weak but extrememely cheap. Intel didn't die because of Celerons. AMD will survive as well.

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What you write just gives more sense to it. AMD has no money to support XP. They have to make priorities.

And let's see reality. Maybe one 3rd of your clients use XP. But how many people are gamers? I guess the church side is the strongest one.

I would even bet that there are less than 100 people on the whole planet who'd want to use a 7790 with XP. This is the whole point. If you're gaming, build a computer for gaming, software included. If you build an office PC for a church, don't make them pay for a 7790. Simple.

To cut the long story short, 7790 is not supported, and will never be as it makes no sense from a business point of view. This is unfortunate, I don't want to laugh at you people, or anythng like that. But it is something you have to accept and move on.

The last thing that will help is us talking about this on the community forums, as no one here has any power over AMD. You can contact the company directly, but they will only say it's not supported, withoput elaborating further.

If you really have to, go nvidia. AMD won't cry, you can bet. If it's better for you, no one stops you. And I'm not saying this to be an a**. I have nvidia cards as well, and I'm planning on buying one for one of my PCs right now. It doesn't mean anything.



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its not just the 7790 my point of current trends is this, no I wouldn't recomend a 7790 for an office PC, but lets say in one church all 14 of their desktops have HD 2400Pro's in them, now lets say they go belly up, next year, and I need a replacement do I get HD 9xxx or GT8xx thats my point, in the point I'm making here, as long as the bussiness world still has alot invested in XP which it does more than most want to admit, then dropping suport seems quite foolish, wait until April when every one else releases one last update and then closes devlopment.

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but lets say in one church all 14 of their desktops have HD 2400Pro's in them, now lets say they go belly up, next year, and I need a replacement do I get HD 9xxx or GT8xx thats my point,


That's why they invented eBay.

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Black you very obviously have never worked professionally in this field. You never buy used parts for a company unless its a lot which you won't find on eBay with any sense of reliability. I support this equipment I don't want to deal with multiple computers that have diffrent hardware if I don't have to, no tech does.

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Originally posted by: black_zion
but lets say in one church all 14 of their desktops have HD 2400Pro's in them, now lets say they go belly up, next year, and I need a replacement do I get HD 9xxx or GT8xx thats my point,
That's why they invented eBay.

 

Another thing to look is Nvidia will be dropping XP support soon enough as well. 

But I will say when it comes to useing "old" games on a PC. My laptop with this 460M is amazing. It runs literally everygame Minus some pre 03 ones.


Then for those I have my 9700pro. Which is still going strong like a champ, minus the fact the fan on it doesnt' work anymore. But its running windows 98 lol. 



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 10/07/2013 05:16 AM
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Originally posted by: candle_86 its not just the 7790 my point of current trends is this, no I wouldn't recomend a 7790 for an office PC, but lets say in one church all 14 of their desktops have HD 2400Pro's in them, now lets say they go belly up, next year, and I need a replacement do I get HD 9xxx or GT8xx thats my point, in the point I'm making here, as long as the bussiness world still has alot invested in XP which it does more than most want to admit, then dropping suport seems quite foolish, wait until April when every one else releases one last update and then closes devlopment.

In this case I wonder why non-profit organizations (like a church is supposed to be) use windows at all. Let's not go into religion, but using up the charity money so irresponsibly should make a lot of people anygry. Well, if it wasn't religion...

Next time a church asks you to build a computer for them, please use linux. Hardware support is no problem, software is free and I don't think they need Photoshop or iTunes in a church. LibreOffice can do all their work. If not, there's still wine.



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 10/07/2013 08:55 AM
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There's always the free alternative to Photoshop, GIMP.

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 10/21/2013 05:09 PM
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OK J have installed Win XP and Win7. J need XP because my TV Card Leadtek is not suported by win7 and it doesnt work propertly. J`m going to buy new graphic card. Well,  have  J got to buy nvidia ? Is it really so hard to support Win XP in new R7 and R9. Is AMD so reach to loose all XP users?

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Windows XP Mode not an option?

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