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 11/16/2013 02:13 PM
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dosse91
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I got a 290x to replace a dead hd5870 and I'm getting all sorts of issues: from VSynch issues to game breaking artifacts.

The most notable examples I found are:

-Far Cry 3: Framerate greatly improves after pressing Alt+Enter 2-3 times when VSynch is active; also, shadows sometimes flicker, and "beards turn invisible" for a frame or two (but that's probably game-related, some broken shader I guess).

-Mass effect 1: nearly unplayable due to massive fps drops almost everywhere. Again, pressing Alt+Enter multiple times helps, but it's barely playable

-Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic (Yes, I know this is a 10 year old game, but it's such a masterpiece I'm still playing it): lightsabers are invisible, and only terrain+some static objects are rendered behind grass (so the characters and enemies are half invisible when in the grass). Almost unplayable

-Crysis 1 and Warhead: When VSynch is on, framerate is low and unstable (loads of stuttering). Once again, Alt+Enter fixes the problem

 

These all seem to be driver issues, and hopefully they'll be fixed, but I'm reporting them, just to be annoying

 

Another "minor" issue I'm having is insane overheating: I've had some hot cards before, but this one beats the nvidia 9800gx2: thermal throttling ruins almost every good looking game in only a matter of minutes, and the only solution is to either get an aftermarket cooler or use msi afterburner to force some ultra-loud fan profile to keep it cool.

 

The joys of early adoption, I guess.

 11/16/2013 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by: dosse91 insane overheating

It's funny when people complain about this, they aways forget to include the actual readings.



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 11/16/2013 08:09 PM
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It's also funny to see people complain about thermal throttling when every single review states that the AMD reference cooler is inadequate without heavily increasing the fan speed and is unable to run at its full speeds.

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 11/17/2013 03:20 AM
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The card starts thermal throttling at 95°C, so I consider that to be overheating, since it makes the game almost unplayable.

Unfortunately, with some games it starts doing that only 2 minutes within the game, unless, as I said, you get an aftermarket cooler or set very high fan speeds with msi afterburner or similar software.

That said, I'm not saying the 290x is *****, it's pretty good in fact, just that the drivers are still very very beta.

 11/17/2013 03:55 AM
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I wonder what exactly happens when this throttling happens. Does the fps drop from 600 to 540? Using lower clock speed from the beginning may help. Not that you can see more than 80.



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 11/17/2013 05:26 AM
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it depends from the game: far cry 3 drops to 15-20 fps for 1 second, then it goes back to 50-60 for 1 second, and so on. I tried using lower clocks, and it stops doing that around -25%. i wonder if amd applied factory overclock to this card so they could say it's faster than the titan, or if it's just bad cooling: all other cards I've had were nearly perfect.

for the moment, I'd rather increase the fan speed than lower the gpu clock, since I'm using headphones and can't hear the noise.

 11/17/2013 07:26 AM
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Is this in uber mode or normal?(dip switch on top of card)

Did have mine set to 55% fan using Afterburner. The ref coller is crap though.

Cant uderstand why AMD havent allowed the vendors to do there bit with the after market cooling. Look at the 280x toxic! awsome card, Clockes well also due to the decent cooling.

If they allow non-ref 290x they might steel the crown back

 

Just gone water cooled on my rig, including the GPU. The difference is unreal. Game all night BF4/Metro:LL on full ultra, Dont go above 40 ish on temps(21 Amdient)

 

Clockes well too. Not that I need it at the moment.

 

But yea, there are driver issues, the beta 9's are actually slower then the beta 6's 

 11/17/2013 08:51 AM
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uber.

also, i just noticed that baldur's gate 1 and 2 enhanced edition don't work, like any other opengl game.

 

 11/17/2013 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by: dosse91 uber.

 

also, i just noticed that baldur's gate 1 and 2 enhanced edition don't work, like any other opengl game.

 

 

 

Old OGL games haven't worked since 12.1, almost 2 years. There is a workaround but it won't work on new cards. You need to get more people to get interested in the game and use the issue reporting form. AMD won't work for 2 people.



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 11/17/2013 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by: Eydee

Old OGL games haven't worked since 12.1, almost 2 years. There is a workaround but it won't work on new cards. You need to get more people to get interested in the game and use the issue reporting form. AMD won't work for 2 people.

 

baldur's gate 2 enhanced edition came out days ago. also, i never heard of this workaround, can you tell me some information?

 

 11/17/2013 02:10 PM
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perhaps this is a bit of an extreme solution, but... is there some software renderer for opengl? a replacement dll like swiftshader would surely fix issues with these old opengl games.

i heard of mesa3d, and after a bit of swearing, i was able to compile it and get an opengl32 dll, but all the games crash as soon as they start (i probably did something wrong in the settings). anyone here has experience with mesa3d or similar software?

 11/17/2013 03:09 PM
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I don't know what changes that enhanced edition has. If there was no engine revamp, it should still use old OGL.

The workaround is extracting the atioglxx.dll file from Catalyst 12.1 and placing it into the application directory. However, as 12.1 doesn't support new cards, it won't work for you.

I can only find an OGL2DX wrapper for WinRT, so that's a no-go. You may try copying the operngl32.dll file from system32/syswow64, renaming it to atioglxx.dll and placing it into the application directory. The result is, however, unpredictable. In theory, you should get software rendering.



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 11/17/2013 09:33 PM
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1. Baldur's Gate is 2D-game, sprites you know...

2. about Crysis. Any chance you connect your monitor via HDMI? Because somehow Crysis oversan game and there are lags. Alt-Enter indeed switch the game to fullscreen window, and remove overscan.



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 11/18/2013 01:38 AM
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Originally posted by: Andrey_Rybenkov

 

2. about Crysis. Any chance you connect your monitor via HDMI? Because somehow Crysis oversan game and there are lags. Alt-Enter indeed switch the game to fullscreen window, and remove overscan.

 

nope, dvi.

 11/18/2013 01:30 PM
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The R9 290x is designed to reach 95c and sit there while playing 3D games.  You can use the PowerTune functions within CCC to change things around - like the target temperature.

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Originally posted by: Marc@AMD The R9 290x is designed to reach 95c and sit there while playing 3D games.  You can use the PowerTune functions within CCC to change things around - like the target temperature.

 

;Marc

 

the problem imho is not the temperature itself, but the thermal throttling: it keeps going from 20 to 60 fps and from 60 to 20 every 1 second or so, making the game unenjoyable at least.

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