Topic Title: Windows 8: The Next WindowsME?
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 05/06/2012 01:00 PM
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With all the negative press about Windows 8, and especially negative feedback about it from beta testers, mostly centered around the really idiotic UI, and considering the fact that laptop manufacturers are not going to rush to get it out due to the expensive touch screens (which really shouldn't be expensive, they've been around for over a decade), and the fact that Windows 8 is just Windows 7 with a new horrid UI, could Windows 8 go down in history as the worst Windows since WindowsME?

And think about this, just say that the addition of a touchscreen added only $50 more to the price of a laptop (when we know it is about 4x that in reality), and ignoring the fact that touchscreens get smudged and are bacteria havens, how much in both weight, and cost, do you think the additional stability beams would add to prevent screen wobble?

Even if Windows 7 and 8 are going to co-exist, which we know they will as Windows 7 is due for another service pack which will extend it's drop dead date till 2015 or so, outside the cell phone market, do you think that Windows 8 will get even 10% market share, especially considering the fact that Microsoft will make people pay to be able to watch DVDs on Windows 8 computers?

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 05/06/2012 02:46 PM
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pay to watch a dvd? that sounds like a cheap shot. I'm sure it will cost them, more people will look for alternatives, poor move on their part.



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 05/06/2012 03:45 PM
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I read where they are not even going to include WMC except in the high end version.



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 05/06/2012 07:10 PM
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Their reason to not include DVD playback is, of course, they have to pay a license fee, and that DVD sales are down while BluRay is up (which I don't think is right, as the difference between BR and a DVD on a good quality upconverting player is pretty negligible).

As for WMC, all I can say is THANK GOD! I HATE that piece of crapware, thankfully they made it removable in 7

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 05/08/2012 09:38 PM
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Eh I love Windows Media Center. Its awesome. Its not crapware at all. I use WMC to steam everything from this PC to my Xbox, and other PC's in the house... 



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 05/10/2012 05:48 PM
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Metro UI has crappy usability when working with mouse and keyboard, and it's ugly no matter what kind of device you use it with. I guess this years is the year of *****UI designs. Ubunto came up with Unity, and now M$ comes with Metro.



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 05/20/2012 09:45 PM
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Microsoft has a history after a major new OS release (7) they try a cheap shot OS (8) like it was with ME. I guess most people will skip Win8 hence the Win7 deadline extension.

 

 



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 05/20/2012 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by: MyMedia59 Microsoft has a history after a major new OS release (7) they try a cheap shot OS (8) like it was with ME. I guess most people will skip Win8 hence the Win7 deadline extension.

 

 

 

 

 

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 05/20/2012 10:57 PM
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Windows 7 never had a deadline extension, it is due for another service pack as there have been many many many security fixes and compatibility updates, and that automatically adds something like 3 years to the drop dead date. XP was different because to many people were being idiotic and Microsoft cave. And actually Windows Vista was the major OS, being Windows kernel version 6.0, Windows 7 was the cheapshot OS having changes that amounted to a Windows XP SP2 update but was sold as a new version a la Windows 98 SE and was Windows kernel version 6.1. Windows 8 is just Windows Vista with a few optimizations and a horrid Metro UI, as it is just kernel version 6.2. The horrible part is that Microsoft is really not changing much and yet charging a full release price, and that is going to be the downfall of Windows 8. Sure they will make some money off OEM volume licenses, but anyone who has Vista or 7 has absolutely no reason to upgrade since nothing is changing...Personally, even if Microsoft offered a, say, $29.99 upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 8, I still wouldn't get it.

Oh, and considering the "cloud computing" integration, that leaves open a hell of a lot of ways the tech ignorant (e.g. people who click OK to everything, which is a hell of a lot of people) will be able to get into a hell of a lot of trouble...I can see it now, malicious programs that offer to do things like "backup to SkyDrive" and end up stealing copies of peoples personal documents like tax returns

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 05/21/2012 12:25 AM
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yep, bz, you got that right and the cloud crap makes a lot of trouble here in Australia - Internet is too unreliable and slow for it.

Cloud means data transparency for everyone .. good for terrorist hunting  isgust;

 

 



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 05/21/2012 01:15 AM
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I've never liked the idea of cloud computing or online file storage myself. Now if you are a company and use one powerful mainframe with terminals (as is common, especially in schools since it is much cheaper to have one powerful server mainframe with lots of cheap computers with gigabit ethernet), that's different. But remember that unless the data is salted across multiple servers in multiple locations (as in fragmented) it will be relatively simple for a group of smart hackers (or the Red Chinese, although I bet the CIA could launch their own missiles against them if they wanted) to gain access to those files. If you think that's crazy, they're able to do it to credit card information processors (like this latest breach where millions of Mastercard and Visa cards were compromised), even hack into the Indian government and steal the source code for Symantec Norton AV, so it's not hard to imagine they could steal data, maybe not copy everything (that's Google and Facebooks job), but all it takes is for them to steal the right chunk of data and you're screwed.

Note this too, since Microsoft will use SkyDrive to let you sign on to multiple computers, what if that data is compromised, imagine someone in some unpronounceable place in some communist country easily gaining all your stuff. Heck, throw together a couple of modern graphics cards and you can brute force encryption without much effort

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"imagine someone in some unpronounceable place in some communist country easily gaining all your stuff"...

why has to be from a communist country? history has shown us lots of attrocities coming from non communist ones. Overdose of american cold war movies maybe?



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Yea but the biggest hacking cases of the past few months have come from communist China and former Soviet countries

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Here is what I think:

I hope Microsoft gets every Windows 8 disc slapped in their arrogant faces.
Forcing their ugly idotic Metro interface on desktop users, and not even
offering an option to turn off Metro and revert to the classic start menu,
is Microsoft's way of giving consumers the finger.
So I will give the finger right back at them by boycotting Winblows 8.



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Originally posted by: Someone Else Here is what I think:

 

I hope Microsoft gets every Windows 8 disc slapped in their arrogant faces. Forcing their ugly idotic Metro interface on desktop users, and not even offering an option to turn off Metro and revert to the classic start menu, is Microsoft's way of giving consumers the finger. So I will give the finger right back at them by boycotting Winblows 8.

 

I agree....before they released the beta, there was 'talk' of the option to choose the 'old' interface. Talk is talk, I guess.

PS: I feel the same way about Google's Chrome.

 

 



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Windows 8 isn't going to fail. Reason for this. Dell, HP ect.. are going to be shipping tablets, PCs, Laptops, ect.. with that OS. Phones are going to start shipping with it. Intel and microsoft are working together to try and reduce apples market share ect...



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 06/03/2012 11:54 PM
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That's why I said:

so, outside the cell phone market, do you think that Windows 8 will get even 10% market share


On a touchscreen device like a tablet or cell phone, it makes sense, but on a PC or laptop with a mouse and capable of more than angry birds, it makes 0 sense.

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 06/04/2012 02:21 PM
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I'm excited about the possibility of upgrading, but skeptical.  Upgrading from Vista to 7 seemed like a no brainer to me, and the main thing that I'm worried about is that if I do an in-place upgrade to 8 from 7, some stuff on my system might break or not work.  That's the main thing ... I have a lot of programs on my computer right now, and it's purring like a kitten 99% of the time, so I'd hate to upset that with a change in OS.

 

Personally I like the way Metro looks.  To me it seems very clean and well organized.  And I've read on other sites like Paul Thurrott's site how just because it's optimized for touch, that doesn't mean that it can't work well with a keyboard and mouse.  But we shall see.



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 06/05/2012 12:53 PM
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I *like* playing with windows 8. On a touch screen. Its great. On my PC its a PITA. And I'm not going to go out and buy 3 22 inch touch screen monitors just to make my PC windows 8 friendly. (although I do think that would be cool as hell.) Its not worth it to me imho.  In latest news E3 has been awesome.

 



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 06/06/2012 10:40 PM
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John Dvorak agrees with me:

http://www.marketwatch.com/sto...-windows-8-2012-06-01

Windows 8 looks to me to be an unmitigated disaster that could decidedly hurt the company and its future.


Lots of people agree, and it's sad that Microsoft (and many other companies) are forgetting that having options is not a bad thing, and that some times the "tried and true" needs to be kept, it's something Mozilla never learned when they took out the persistent status bar (thank you Staus-4-Evar for bringing it back)

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