Topic Title: Minor Issues with Afterburner/RivaTuner - R9 290Xs
Topic Summary: Minor Issues with Crossfire - R9 290Xs
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 06/13/2014 09:58 AM
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That's what I need to rerun to ensure the settings I'm using now are stable.  All of my settings before, for stock, 4.2GHz & 4.6GHz passed Intel Burn Test on High for a full set of loops.

4.2GHz I'm gonna test when I get home with IBT cuz I'm 99% sure it'll pass with the settings I'm using now as I'm all but positive it was previously literally just me upping the voltage to 1.22V & not changing anything else in the BIOS from default, other than turning SpeedStep off & setting the RAM to run on the built in XMP profile.

As for 4.6GHz, I'm gonna haveta look back to an old post by a friend who's settings I used as a base point, then tweak til it tests stable.

He posted up some 4.8GHz numbers for me to try, but he's using a IV Formula, not a IV Extreme, so I don't know if those numbers will work for me exactly, like his 4.6GHz settings, I'll most likely have to tweak... and I dunno if I can keep 4.8 cool with how decreped my loop is getting lol

Previously 4.6GHz topped out in the low 70s load in IBT, so I'm hoping with a nice radiator/fan cleaning before I test it out, I can get close to the same temps... after I get it stable, of course.



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 06/13/2014 10:10 AM
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Is this really worth the effort or trouble to get to 4.6 or 4.8 ghz speed ?

It gives you, what ? 2-3 fps difference ?

 

Now, before you say anything, i know. I love overclocking myself. I love to push my system to max performance.

Your rig justifies it more. Hell, it demands it !

 

But having a 100% complete, thoroughly tested, 24/7 stable system is more important i think.

Even the most experienced users can take it a little too far.....

My point is, have fun, but keep the fun (or fan, lol) going ....

 

 

If you look down on me as a mere mortal, i'll understand and just shut up.



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 06/13/2014 10:17 AM
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lol

Well 4.6GHz was once upon a time 24/7 stable on this system, I stopped running it because I wasn't playing games or using a video card setup that "needed it".  

4.2GHz was my regular running speed for daily use for about the past year & a half as I mostly play League of Legends these days.

But since I'm rotating through some of these high end titles, and GTA V is on the horizon, I definitely wanna see if I can pump out more speed, even if it's literally just for benchmarks & not 24/7 use.

Most likely I'll test 4.2GHz stable & use it for regular gaming use & the likes of the Metro/Crysis series, but we'll see

I can't wait to redo my cooling loop & HOPEFULLY get slightly lower temps at the higher speeds so I can squeeze more out.  I previously tried to get higher than 4.6GHz but could never get it IBT tested stable.



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RAM: G.Skill Sniper Gaming Series (4x4GB 2133MHz, CL9) ~ PSU: Corsair AX 1200W ~ Case: Enermax Fulmo GT
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 06/13/2014 10:31 AM
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I previously tried to get higher than 4.6GHz but could never get it IBT tested stable.

 

Yes, i hear a lot of people complaining and then doubting the reliability of this program, just because it is the only one that messes with their "absolutely 100% tested stable pc".

Surely it can't be allowed to hurt one's ego, can it ?

 

Personally i love the way it busts me. The "myth buster" of overclocking, LOL



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 06/13/2014 10:52 AM
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Indeed.  I've never had a CPU clock test and pass IBT then fail at something else, so I trust it more than anything else.  I used to use OCCT but had to switch to IBT because at the time I got my 3930k OCCT didn't support more than 4 cores/8 threads. 

I did see some very sizable benchmark gains going from 4.2 to 4.6GHz with TriFire and even regular crossfire.  The R9 290Xs truly are beasts that scale like monsters.  

This is the first time I've fiddled with new cards in almost two years. Previous to that I've run 7970s in up to TriFire, 6990s in QuadFire, GTX 580s in up to 3-way SLi, and several other setups. I was a bit of a hardware/EBay/benchmark addict then. Lol



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GPUs: 3x HIS R9 290X Reference (Core) Editions in TriFire, Max Load Temps: 71C/70C/71C during OC testing :-P

 06/13/2014 11:04 AM
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This is the first time I've fiddled with new cards in almost two years. Previous to that I've run 7970s in up to TriFire, 6990s in QuadFire, GTX 580s in up to 3-way SLi, and several other setups. I was a bit of a hardware/EBay/benchmark addict then. Lol

 

Now i just feel old and sad... thanks a lot (he he) !!!



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 06/13/2014 11:05 AM
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That quadfire bit, didn't it ?



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 06/13/2014 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by: backFireX64
This is the first time I've fiddled with new cards in almost two years. Previous to that I've run 7970s in up to TriFire, 6990s in QuadFire, GTX 580s in up to 3-way SLi, and several other setups. I was a bit of a hardware/EBay/benchmark addict then. Lol

 

 

 

Now i just feel old and sad... thanks a lot (he he) !!!

 

Lol 6990s are getting kinda up there in terms of GPU age but they still have great performance and the scaling on AMD dual GPU cards is just sick. 

Originally posted by: backFireX64 That quadfire bit, didn't it ?

 

Nah, it had some issues but that was also on Beta drivers. Wrecked some benchmarks, played BF3 maxed out with heavy AA with no issues, only had issues with eyefinity which was a driver/game issue at the time. Was crazy how much heat they put out though, but I just used headphones and cranked the fans to Max. 

 



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GPUs: 3x HIS R9 290X Reference (Core) Editions in TriFire, Max Load Temps: 71C/70C/71C during OC testing :-P

 06/13/2014 03:10 PM
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You can also try the sapphire TRIXX overclocking tool.

Never had any problems with it.



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 06/13/2014 04:40 PM
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I specifically tried Precision first because it has what I want the most out of the program like Afterburner, which is the OSD for monitoring temps/GPU speeds/loads etc in game.

I have been told that I can use Trixx or similar for OCing & AIDA 64 for the OSD and it should work fine.  I'll be trying that out soon.

Good news though, I already got 4.2GHz retested stable at mostly stock settings with just the voltage bumped, and I just finished retesting 4.6GHz stable for when I need to break some benchmark numbers

4.6GHz runs a bit warm, but that's partly cuz of my loop needing replaced, idles in the low 40s, loads in the high 60s/low 70s with one crybaby core that hit 80C right at the end of the IBT loops.  Funny enough the crybaby core idles the lowest too.  Best of both worlds, in the bad way.

4.2GHz runs perfectly cool though, max load temps are in the low/mid 60s under IBT.

 

So, looks like I'll be back to trouble shooting my issue with screen flickering tomorrow, meaning I'll be reinstalling Crossfire again... cuz I'm going to take the rest of the day off from my computer so I can get over wanting to kill it for the stunt it pulled, gonna finish my laundry while watching the World Cup a bit, then it's le-bed time before work again.



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 06/16/2014 08:06 PM
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So, this issue is definitely related to Afterburner, and whatever it's doing requires that I not only uninstall Afterburner once it starts occuring, but I actually have to reinstall my DRIVERS to make it go away.

It happens with single, dual & 3 cards, and I'm pretty sure it's related to ULPS once the card has been OCed & then set back to normal clocks, that's when it seems to start occuring... note, it occurs regardless of ULPS being enabled or not, but the reason I think ULPS has something to do with it is, the issue happens upon windows boot up, but goes away, most of the time, once a 3D application is used, until next reboot/boot up.

It's just weird.

I have now tried the 14.4 drivers as well as 14.6, happens with both... installed the 14.4s to submit some official 3DMark scores, unfortunately the pump in my liquid loop died so I had to haphazardly plug in an ol' H100 as a temporary cooler until I get a new loop purchased.  So no more benchmarking for me

I will continue researching this issue though.



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Originally posted by: HoneyBadger84 So, this issue is definitely related to Afterburner, and whatever it's doing requires that I not only uninstall Afterburner once it starts occuring, but I actually have to reinstall my DRIVERS to make it go away.

 

It happens with single, dual & 3 cards, and I'm pretty sure it's related to ULPS once the card has been OCed & then set back to normal clocks, that's when it seems to start occuring... note, it occurs regardless of ULPS being enabled or not, but the reason I think ULPS has something to do with it is, the issue happens upon windows boot up, but goes away, most of the time, once a 3D application is used, until next reboot/boot up.

 

It's just weird.

 

I have now tried the 14.4 drivers as well as 14.6, happens with both... installed the 14.4s to submit some official 3DMark scores, unfortunately the pump in my liquid loop died so I had to haphazardly plug in an ol' H100 as a temporary cooler until I get a new loop purchased.  So no more benchmarking for me

 

I will continue researching this issue though.

 

 

Oh man................. so sorry to read about that pump

 

 

Afterburner is one of my favourite programs.

It sure sucks that it is giving you a hard time, but i think an updated version will end your frustration in the near future.

Here's hoping.

 

When i come to think of it, i had similar troubles with radeonpro in the past.

It kept messing with my global crossfirex settings.

Never found out what was really causing it. No issues now.

 

Thanks for the feedback.



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It has to be something with Afterburner & the driver stuff it does to allow OCing, because the issue does not happen, at all, until after an overclock on the GPUs.  In single card, Crossfire or TriFire, I haven't had the issue until I've tested OCs (haven't tested OCs on TriFire at all, and as a result, it never had issues I don't think).


It's just irritating because the only way to fix it once it starts occuring is a complete wipe of Drivers, Afterburner & RivaTuner, then doing a fresh install after a cleaning.

 

As far as my pump's untimely demise goes, stuff happens, hopefully the H110 I'm getting in today will be able to handle 4.2GHz better, and maybe even 4.6 so I can resume testing of things... it should be able to handle at least 4.2GHz since the H100 can, just not very well (load temps are 62-68C under Intel Burn Test at 4.2GHz with the H100, with fans in a push-only configuration)



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Nah, your temps are already good, but there is still room for improvement i guess.

 

Have you unlocked voltage on afterburner ?

Do you disable overdrive settings in ccc ?



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I never enabled Overdrive to begin with.  Voltage being unlocked or not makes no difference, both cause the issue to start occuring as soon as an overclock is applied then the card is set back to stock, the next reboot the issue will present itself.  And now that I know it happens across multiple drivers, it's definitely an issue with Afterburner itself or the combination of RivaTuner & Afterburner.

I can't not use it though, need that OSD in benchmarks & game testing when testing overclocks to make sure I'm not getting downclocked or getting too hot.



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Since this has become a overclocking thread, maybe a mod can move it to the Overclocking/Modding forum where more people can benefit and/or comment?



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Think it's more a applications thread myself, as this issue is clearly with no just crossfire. 



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Originally posted by: HoneyBadger84 Think it's more a applications thread myself, as this issue is clearly with no just crossfire. 

Right...it has to do with overclocking.

"" And now that I know it happens across multiple drivers, it's definitely an issue with Afterburner itself or the combination of RivaTuner & Afterburner.

I can't not use it though, need that OSD in benchmarks & game testing when testing overclocks to make sure I'm not getting downclocked or getting too hot.



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 06/17/2014 04:25 PM
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The issue were discussing isn't with OCing its visual glitches caused by an application. How would I go about getting the thread moved? 



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So this was moved to Overclocking when the issue has nothing to do with overclocking... brilliant moderation.



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GPUs: 3x HIS R9 290X Reference (Core) Editions in TriFire, Max Load Temps: 71C/70C/71C during OC testing :-P

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