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 12/08/2011 02:58 AM
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ChillieD0g
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th most card i have seen that has gotten the most best reviews is the Gigabyte Radeon HD 6850 1GB OC  ...alot of people has been saying that this card is the most dependable card on the market...i just wonder true this is ?



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 12/08/2011 12:19 PM
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Doubtful, if it isn't made by Sapphire I don't trust it, maybe XFX too because of the lifetime warranty

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 12/08/2011 05:35 PM
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I don't trust Sapphire cards, i have had too many blue screen of death from their cards very unstable



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 12/08/2011 05:48 PM
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You're doing something fundamentally wrong with their cards then mate, I only use them at work for client / buddy PC builds if they want ATI/AMD cards and can count how many faulty cards I've had in the past 6 years on one hand .. plus over on the Sapphire VGA Help forum, we don't see very many cards which are faulty or DOA at all .. certainly not unstable at all if you use the right PSU and set things up correctly ..

They're certainly better than GigaByte cards, that I'll tell you for nothing ..



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 12/08/2011 06:23 PM
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And I've been using Sapphire cards since the 9600 days, never a problem with them

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 12/09/2011 01:47 AM
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Not to ruin anybody's day but my brother's HD5870 Vapor-X had the "grey screen of death" problem.  We had it replaced and the 2nd one was (and still is) fine. 

The reason why single (sub-vendor) brands don't dominate the market is because they ALL meet a certain standard of quality.  In fact, a stock card from Saphire isn't going to be ANY different than a stock card from ASUS or Powercolor or XFX or GigaByte (unless, of course, you're in it for the awesome sticker designs that each one gladly pre-applies to the cooler).

This should be clear.  Do your best to keep personal biases out of the equation.



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 12/09/2011 12:15 PM
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Disagree, remember a couple of years ago when AMD announced they would cease shipments of GPUs to certain OEMs? Palit/Gainward were dropped because they decided to stick GDDR5 on a HD 4850 (therefore making it a HD 4870) and threw a hissy fit when every other manufacturer asked them to stop, Diamond has not been officially dropped but only idiots buy Diamond and even they do not repeat because of low quality components and nonexistant customer service, Visiontek is even lower than Diamond in terms of quality, Apollo is gone, Abit was dropped because they were *****, The GPUs themselves are of the same quality, but the PCBs, capacitors, etc... are all different. Sapphire and XFX are AMD-only, which means they have to be of the highest quality. All companies can have duff products, my Corsshair III worked fine for a while but then after 3 RMAs without it being fixed I had to choose a new board, and this Crosshair IV hasn't had a hiccup yet. I've had a couple of Crucial and OCZ memory modules fail over the years, but it didn't stop me from buying them because they were high quality manufacturers.

In computers there is no "brand markup" like there is in, say, shoes or clothing or purses, you want a high quality product, you pay a little bit more, but there's a difference between a quality product (XFX, Sapphire, HIS, etc) whose products occasionally fail because they are made in batches of hundreds and one card happens to get a faulty capacitor, and a product which isn't worth the cost of the metals used to make it.

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 12/09/2011 12:23 PM
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Nearly all HD58xx cards had the GSOD issue due to a faulty VBIOS, so it affected almost every brand's cards .. Sapphire got onto that and the issue with their cards was resolved in double-quick time ..

Most of Sapphire's cards use a different non-reference PCB and proprietary components which are different to other brands too, so yes, they are different to say GigaByte cards or ASUS cards etc ..

.. and you'd be surprised as to what brands go through the exact same FABs and get made at the same time too ..

Nothing biased about anything either, there's a major reason why Sapphire are ATI/AMD's MAJOR 3rd party manufacturer



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 12/09/2011 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by: Gr33nGecko  

 

Nearly all HD58xx cards had the GSOD issue due to a faulty VBIOS, so it affected almost every brand's cards .. Sapphire got onto that and the issue with their cards was resolved in double-quick time ..

 

Most of Sapphire's cards use a different non-reference PCB and proprietary components which are different to other brands too, so yes, they are different to say GigaByte cards or ASUS cards etc ..

 

.. and you'd be surprised as to what brands go through the exact same FABs and get made at the same time too ..

 

Nothing biased about anything either, there's a major reason why Sapphire are ATI/AMD's MAJOR 3rd party manufacturer

 

This is fairly related to the topic...

Are you just waiting for the 28nm GPUs before you throw those atomic cards away?  You've had those for EVER.

And I'll be sure to let you guys know when my friends Diamond HD5850 tanks (so far, I've had more trouble with ASUS and Saphire even though the Saphire case WAS AMD's fault).



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 12/09/2011 07:57 PM
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Yeah I'm waiting til they finally die before getting anything else .. they've served me very well, and yeah, I have had them quite some time now .. hehe .. They do what they need to do really, although I do game, it isn't something I'd be able to justify spending $ on cards for ... I'll leave that to those who spend 23hrs 30min a day gaming  LOL ..



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 12/10/2011 12:42 PM
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My old Sapphire 5850 started crashing to a red screen right when I would launch a game so I RMA'ed it and Sapphire sent me a replacement Toxic 5850. About 2 weeks ago it started Grey screening after playing Bad Company 2 for more than 20 mins. i called the company that i get the cards from, apprently i'm not the only person that has this problem, they refunded my money and decided to get Radeon HD 6870 really hadn had any problems since, must be that certain coard i had



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No, GSOD and multi-coloured crashes etc was due to a bad VBIOS issued by ATI/AMD which was spotted late in January 2010 and was resolved in February 2010 with a new VBIOS and coupled with Catalyst 10.2 .. Nothing to do with the actual card model being faulty per se, it affected a LOT of HD5xxx series cards .. from all manufacturers ..

Possiblity it was a faulty batch, yes .. possibility of a bad PSU being used to power things, yes as you haven't said what PSU you use .. possibility of things glitching because of drivers / game issues, yes too ..

Nobody I know with a Sapphire HD58xx series card have had any further issues with the reworked VBIOS, 2 years later down the line.

 

Edit : read the last sentence again and edited it to make it make sense .. LOL



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 12/10/2011 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by: Gr33nGecko  

 

No, GSOD and multi-coloured crashes etc was due to a bad VBIOS issued by ATI/AMD which was spotted late in January 2010 and was resolved in February 2010 with a new VBIOS and coupled with Catalyst 10.2 .. Nothing to do with the actual card model being faulty per se, it affected a LOT of HD5xxx series cards .. from all manufacturers ..

 

Possiblity it was a faulty batch, yes .. possibility of a bad PSU being used to power things, yes as you haven't said what PSU you use .. possibility of things glitching because of drivers / game issues, yes too ..

 

Nobody I know with a Sapphire HD58xx series card have any issues since the year old VBIOS problem 2 years later down the line.

 

I can attest to that.



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 12/10/2011 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by: Gr33nGecko  

No, GSOD and multi-coloured crashes etc was due to a bad VBIOS issued by ATI/AMD which was spotted late in January 2010 and was resolved in February 2010 with a new VBIOS and coupled with Catalyst 10.2 .. Nothing to do with the actual card model being faulty per se, it affected a LOT of HD5xxx series cards .. from all manufacturers ..

Possiblity it was a faulty batch, yes .. possibility of a bad PSU being used to power things, yes as you haven't said what PSU you use .. possibility of things glitching because of drivers / game issues, yes too ..

Nobody I know with a Sapphire HD58xx series card have had any further issues with the reworked VBIOS, 2 years later down the line.

 

Edit : read the last sentence again and edited it to make it make sense .. LOL

 

 

my power supply is a ocz 750 fully modular power supply and i dont think that was the cause



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