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 10/17/2011 12:07 PM
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GavinT
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Originally posted by: neo5555 ^^^^  There is no way AMD would have released BD the way it is if the fix is as simple as a registry patch...  MS would have done that already.

 

But if its true, things are looking great.

 

Not holding my breath tho...

 

Doesn't it need a new BIOS as well? If we have any User Mode Scheduler experts here maybe they could explain things...

Interesting reading.



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 10/17/2011 01:19 PM
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It makes sense to me, IIRC MSI were the only ones dabbling in UEFI until now, but is is odd that ASRock would have given a better performance than the ASUS given they are both ASUS boards, perhaps the Crosshair V is over-engineered? Or perhaps ASUS and AMD were thinking they were going to look a bit like Scotty, have an exclusive agreement, all testing is done on their boards, then they can deliver a much improved UEFI and make it appear that Bulldozer has that much performance to offer on top of what it already gave.

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 10/17/2011 01:32 PM
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Asus have UEFI on their 900 series boards. I just read a review of a Gigabyte board and that is old fashioned BIOS. Interestingly, other boards made by Asus have a beta BIOS that updates the CPU firmware. I have no idea if this is included in the Crosshair V Formula beta BIOS.

Not news as such but...AMD working on B3



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 11/06/2011 03:35 PM
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Wow.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/fx-8150-bulldozer-record-overclocking-speed,13903.html



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 11/06/2011 04:44 PM
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Old news, record broken twice under nitrogen, nobody has done it under helium yet, but it doesn't matter because you can't use that overclock on a daily basis

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 11/06/2011 06:08 PM
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That's about all you can do with it, until someone sorts out a driver, B3 or C0 stepping comes along or Piledriver gets here earlier rather than later and really gives a huge performace boost/power reduction.



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 11/06/2011 08:58 PM
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It is worth noting that Linux, namely Ubuntu, there is already a new release which fixes the cache aliasing issues, and a ton of benchmarks (32 actually) are here

http://openbenchmarking.org/re...-AR-BULLDOZER41


It does seem the "cache thrashing" does not affect home applications as much as feared, as for all intents and purposes the benches are equal. Note that Linux already has higher performance than Windows with Bulldozer, since Linux doesn't ask you to pay another $125 or more and wait another year for what is in essence a bloody service pack...

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 11/08/2011 03:22 PM
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I'm a Linux noob, got a pendrive Linux'd up for SSD firmware updates but other than that I've never used it.



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 11/09/2011 11:29 AM
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Just looking at the Asus Support site and they list of xouple of Bulldozer parts that haven't been released, the 8100 and the 4170. The 4170 is clocked at 4.2GHz apparently, but with a new stepping due at some point I wonder if that will see the light of day in B2 form.

Also in the works are 1090FX and 1070 motherboards; AM3+ socket, more 6Gb/s ports and native USB 3.0. No PCIe 3.0 though apparently. I'm guessing the SRT mentioned in the picture means Smart Response Technology including on more recent Intel boards.



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 11/09/2011 12:01 PM
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Like I said in the other thread, assuming that that "leak" is official, and for all we know PCIe 3.0 will be about as useful as USB 3.0 at this time

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 11/10/2011 08:44 PM
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And if AMD knew that the upcoming HD7990 would be bottlenecked by an PCI-E 2.0 x16 interface then you can bet that they'd be pushing for PCI-E 3.0 with this refresh.



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 11/12/2011 04:23 PM
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USB 3.0 works fine for my external HDD, but that is probably the only thing it is good for. Do we actually know what architecture the HD 7000 series will use? Fudzilla is saying that Trinity will use VLIW4, as used by the HD 6900 series. I'm wondering if this means that the Southern Islands will utilize VLIW4 and not MIMD.



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 11/13/2011 12:23 PM
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I thought I had read that VLIW4 would be used by the 7800 series and below along with GDDR5, and the 7900 series were the only ones to get MIMD and XDR2, which would explain why Trinity would be using the older VLIW4 parts.

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It's been back and forth with whether the HD7900 cards will use XDR2.  We're all, of course, hopeful but we'll just have to see.  AMD will be announcing more details on the 5th of December, apparently.



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 12/16/2011 09:46 AM
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Microsoft patch for Bulldozer FX chips. No idea how good it is though.

 

Someone comments that it may have been withdrawn because it isn't very good.



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Microsoft says it's still up, but like always you have to "request" it. I would think that a better version is in the works as a general release for SP2 though...I can't see why the improved scheduler wouldn't help all CPUs, especially the x6 with the improved Turbo

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http://www.techpowerup.com/156876/AMD-Pulls-Radeon-HD-7970-Launch-to-December-22.html

According to slides obtained by OBR Hardware, the Radeon 7970 will pack some impressive power: the site reports that the card will have a 925 MHz clockspeed, 3GB of that GDDR5 memory, 384-bits of memory bandwidth, 32 ROPs and 128 texture units, and 2,048 stream processors.

AMD claims that the card will use 300W when active and will be under 3W when idle.

More details as they become available.

 

In a surprising move, AMD pulled the launch date of Radeon HD 7970, a high-performance single-GPU graphics card based on the 28 nm Tahiti silicon, up to December 22, 2011; from its earlier launch date of January 09, 2012. The January date was a lot more than speculation, as older presentation slides from AMD to distributors and retailers talked specifically about it. The move to pull December 22 (next Thursday) spices things up in the run up for CES. First, it gives AIB partners full freedom to show off their custom-design graphics cards at the event, along with full details about GPU specifications and clock speeds.

According to a VR-Zone report, Radeon HD 7970 will launch on December 22, 2011, this will be the day you will be able to read reviews of the card (at least the AMD reference design board), online. It will be a limited launch (read: paper-launch), but one can expect "full" retail availability of the card by January 09. Another interesting bit of information is concerning the Radeon HD 7950. This card will be available in non-reference board designs from day one, it will however launch on January 09.



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