Topic Title: Crossfire + Eyefinity = Crashing
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 05/25/2012 03:55 AM
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Saijan Prince
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Mass Effect 3, F1 2010, F1 2011 and Dirt 3.

All completely unstable when using Eyefinity + Crossfire together, all experience a lockup at random times.

I can run, eyefinity on a single 7950 fine.

I can run crossfire on a single display fine.

As soon as I enable crossfire + eyefinity I get lock ups....

Really disappointed with my AMD experience so far...

 05/25/2012 11:16 PM
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Mind telling us what type of dongles your useing and what displays they are going to? Or are you just here to say your disappointed.

We can't help if you don't provide any information. See the FAQ button at the top there. Or the read before posting post..



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 05/27/2012 02:42 AM
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Which driver revision are you running? I had the same problems with anything but the release driver, but the new 12.5 beta's seem to be good. Give them a try, or you could just wait a bit as the release 12.5's should be out any day now.

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 06/02/2012 08:24 PM
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Update to an old thread.

Upon more investigation and many hardware resets I have discovered more symptoms.

First off Sys Specs:

MOBO: Asus P6X58D Premium

CPU: Core i7 (Bloomfield) @ 4.2ghz / cooled with Antec Kuhler 920

RAM: 6gb Corsair Dominator GT @ 1600MHZ CL 7

GPU: 2x HIS 7950 in Crossfire (Bios 2 Selected) @ 1000mhz core

HDD: OCZ Synapse SSD Cache with 2x 500gb RAID 0 WD Caviar Blacks

SOUND: X-fi Titanium

PSU: Thermaltake Toughpower 1000watt

CASE: Antec 1200

OS: Win7 64bit

DISPLAYS: 3x LG Flatron E2441 LED Widescreens

MINI DP ADAPTER: http://www.accellcables.com/products/DisplayPort/DP/mdp_vga.htm

The other 2 displays are connected via HDMI and DVI respectively.

Now, onto the symptoms, I finally managed to get stable behaviour after doing a fresh install of 12.6 Beta Cats with 12.6 CAP1

However, upon reboot this morning eyefinity and crossfire are no longer stable again.

Now to be clear, the issue seems to be 2 pronged in nature, I notice in another thread here it is mentioned that the 2nd card is stuck in 2d clock mode even at full load while crossfire is enabled.

This seems to be related to the instability of the functionality between eyefinity + crossfire because when it works in a stable manner I have noted (and this appears to happen only after a fresh install of the drivers, as I have repeated the results twice now with seperate clean installs) that the secondary card behaves as it should in crossfire, going between 2d and 3d clock modes seamlessly as load increases.

However as I said, upon reboot the 2nd card is no longer even detecting any clocks at all, it just says "0" for Core and Mem clocks in Overdrive, GPU-Z and Afterburner.

Upon launching a game the second card goes to 99 percent load but appears to stay in 2d mode, and the crossfire display indicator appears, apparently signifying crossfire is functioning, but its not.

Here is where the trouble starts, you can make crossfire behave properly with mucking around with enabling/disabling eyefinity and/or crossfire until it starts to work "properly" but then you run into the freezing and instability.

ONLY after a fresh install does it seem to function correctly, after you reboot it all goes to hell, and even then, this is ONLY on 12.6 beta that I have even gotten that far, all other drivers are utterly useless.

Here is a screenshot of the symptoms.....when this occurs there is no way in hell crossfire will function correctly, but it wont crash.....

And if you mess with it until it does detect properly, the system will freeze....

I really hope AMD provide a fix for this as its pretty god damn disappointing.



Edited: 06/02/2012 at 08:36 PM by Saijan Prince
 06/02/2012 09:47 PM
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OK, more weird symptoms.

When I enable crossfire (without or with eyefinity enabled) I get the secondary card detecting as a 7970 (check the shader count) and the primary as having 1792 shaders....

Also the bus width and the bandwidth are completely wrong.

See the screenshots:

 06/02/2012 09:49 PM
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Also, note that the secondary card displays a different driver version.

When crossfire is not enabled the driver versions are identical....not sure if that is part of the issue.

 06/03/2012 02:20 AM
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Test the cards individually. One card is being correctly Identified. The other is not, Or GPU is detecting it as a butchered 7970 that didn't past QA. (use something like Heaven 3.0 benchmark to test the scores of the two) 

PCI-E 3.0 is no big deal. The cards are PCI-E 3.0 Compliant. Probably GPU-Z needs an update.

Now onto the adapters. Drop the HDMI > DVI converted. I could *never* get eyefinity to work useing them. The cards would drop into blue screens and "Driver stopped responding and recovered" Errors. 

I swapped them over to 1 Mini DP > DVI and 1 Mini DP > DVI Active adapter. And all is well. 



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 06/03/2012 04:12 AM
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The cards identify individually fine, they both detect and identify correctly when crossfire is not enabled as well.

They only start to misbehave when they are in crossfire mode.

I do not have PCI-e 3.0 compatibility on my mobo so that is not at all a concern anyway....

I do not have any HDMI or DVI adapters, only the one Mini DP to VGA adapter that I linked earlier.

Im not convinced at all this has anything to do with adapters as eyefinity functions perfectly well with no crossfire enabled, on either card, tested individiually of one and other....

And thusly, I am not going to go and drop more cash on a system that has already cost me an arm and a leg and fails to function correctly

 06/03/2012 04:15 AM
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unless you can provide me something more compelling than your anecdotal evidence?

My adapter is listed as AMD gold certified for eyefinity....

My cards are configured correctly for Crossfire.....

I have adequate power + cooling....

The only thing left is driver issues and we are up to the fifth driver now since the cards release.....I seriously doubt AMD are going to fix this anytime soon, and im really rather annoyed at it.

 06/03/2012 06:36 PM
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You said your useing 1 display via HDMI, one DVI , and one mini DP adapter.

I'm telling you to stop useing the HDMI port else it will probably never work. Im sorry I didn't say "or hdmi cable if useing that".

My "evidence" is pretty solid. There are several post on several forums stating people useing multiple displays with the HDMI port occupied are having issue's.

I had the exact same one and to make sure I wasn't loseing my head. I checked around. different forums, same problem. Multiple displays having a huge affect when the dvi and HDMI ports are both occupied. 

But how about this for Evidence. Mine works perfectly now since I dropped the HDMI cable. With or without crossfire enabled. And yours does not. 

(http://www.sapphireforum.com/showthread.php?28884-7950oc-card-extended-or-duplicated-monitor-nothing-works)

(http://www.sapphireforum.com/showthread.php?28613-7970-OC-BSOD-on-2-Monitor)

Personally I think you have a different issue entirely. I've never heard of a card being detected as an entirely different card when crossfire is enabled. Its.. really wierd. If i were you, I'd do some research and ask around and see if anyone else has had thier cards detected as something different when crossfire is enabled. 

The buddy system is a good idea for now, see if they will crossfire in a friends system (or local PC store). Without any issue's. Reinstall windows if you haven't. But I can only tell you what I did with my cards. Which allowed me to use eyefinity / extended desktop with 0 issue's and 0 problems. I stopped useing the HDMI port on my card. I swapped it over to DVI, and 2 mini DP > DVI converters (one active one not)

One last thing, their are mentions that 12.6 is supposed to solve the whole "if HDMI port is occupied and two or more displayed are use PC should stop going apecrap crazy" But I wouldn't hold my breath with this issue being as rampant as it is. 



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Edited: 06/03/2012 at 06:59 PM by Vantharas
 06/04/2012 01:28 AM
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I now understand what you are meaning in regards to adapters/dvi/HDMI

Yet it still makes no sense, my cards are listed as supporting up to 4 displays in eyefinity.

There are four available ports (HDMI, DVI and 2x Mini DP)


If as you say, its a rule for eyefinity systems that HDMI display port not be used, then 1) why is there no documentation stating this with either my cards nor anywhere else on the net? and 2) why would they include an HDMI port at all on a card designed for eyefinity if that was the case?

Part of the reason eyefinity is not that popular I believe is because of the massive ambiguity surrounding what constitutes a fully stable supported system, and the info your giving me muddies the waters even further.

I am not saying your evidence does not constitute fact, I am saying its ANECDOTAL IN NATURE.

In other words, it works for you, but not neccesarily for others.


Its not a rule, its an observation. And I have observed FUNCTIONING EYEFINITY in contrast to your own observations, using an HDMI port on one of the displays. NO BSOD's nothing....unless I enable Crossfire at the same time....then all hell breaks loose.

As for the release notes in 12.6, I have been using the HDMI port (because as I said, I have no choice) and it functions fine (without crossfire enabled)

I have also tried skipping the HDMI entirely and running 2x Mini DP to VGA adapters and a DVI - same result.

functioning eyefinity in single card mode, a massive series of headaches with crossfire + eyefinity.

 

 

 06/04/2012 05:40 AM
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Your GPU-Z pics show one card @x16 1.1,the other @x1 1.1.(cards in wrong slots?).



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 06/04/2012 09:35 PM
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nope, that is only while its in idle power state.

If you notice the little spanner next to the part where it tells you the PCI speed, you can run a 3d test to see if it spikes back up to 2.0 speeds, which it does.

 

 

 06/05/2012 05:47 AM
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Oh,o.k.something new with 7xxx(just read about it)(was xfired 6 mnths back,cards always showed 2.0).sorry.



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Edited: 06/05/2012 at 06:00 AM by goodplay
 06/05/2012 07:11 PM
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Update:

 

I managed to get the cards to identify correctly in crossfire mode by disabling UPLS in the registry.


Wether or not this will stabilize the system I have yet to determine through testing/gaming

But its encouraging to say the least as this was definitely something I observed to be causing issues.

 06/10/2012 07:20 PM
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Ok - disabling ULPS fixes NOTHING.

 

Still running like an absolute DOG.

 

Here is a thread from another forum with another user experiencing the EXACT SAME ISSUE so that is three people CONFIRMED to be unable to use their system for its intended purpose.


What a freaking joke of a product.


I have owned 4 SLI (Nvidia) rigs (2 of which were on the same mobo/CPU/RAM combo) and I never once had an issue of this magnitude (ie totally freaking unusable in any situation except god damn benchmark runs)

 

This is totally unacceptable from my perspective....to not even have an official response from the like 5 driver feedback forms I filled out with DETAILED INFORMATION on what the problem is and how to replicate it....

 

Screw you AMD I will never buy another of your pathetic products again.

 06/10/2012 07:20 PM
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 06/10/2012 07:21 PM
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also please note I DID try and swap out my adapters and got rid of the HDMI cable.

 

Now running DP to VGA and DP to DVI and DVI

 

SAME ISSUES

 06/11/2012 03:55 AM
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your early post says (bios @2).did u try setup b4 O.C.ing.just a thought?ref to other user also O.C.'d.and screw u ...,doesn't go down too well,seeing as  this is user to user forum.


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Edited: 06/11/2012 at 04:35 AM by goodplay
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