Topic Title: Eyefinity + 7970 = tearing..?
Topic Summary: Just swapped out 5870 CF and get tearing everywhere. What gives?
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 04/15/2013 08:39 PM
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]-[iya guys/gals..

 

My first post here, so be gentle.

Just got my New Saphire 7970 Ghz  (ooOooH!) but am getting horible tearing everywhere! (AAaaw!)

Games, desktop even. Simple YouTube vid on desktop tears, windowed or FS. Most distracting. In Bioshock Infinet can't get my eyes off it. Smack in the middle on middle monitor! Upper 1/4 on right monitor. (BTW; Who do I thank for BI key? Thanx!!)

Even dragging Firefox around I can see it.. sheeesh.

Connector order, l to r.

DP/active/DVI, DVI, DVI

All monitors Asus vw266 @ 1920x1200

 

New smaller Active adapter way faster screen changes vs the older bricks. Connector layout on card is exact same as my 5870's.

Tried fiddling with v-sync to no avail. That would not help DT.

 

Most distressing. \/\/hat gives??

Any hints as to whats up?

 

Been gaming from the beginning, c64 to DooM with IP adress's (uhg), and system builder since then. I know my way around these things pretty good.  Current system is near 3yrs old..!



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Edited: 04/16/2013 at 07:35 PM by BatCat
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The tearing seems to move around. Right now writing this ..if I move the window its smak dab in the middle. Earlier it was in the top 1/4 about. (1/4 of the way down)

I can't stand this. Whats going on?  puh-lease..!

 



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 04/17/2013 05:14 PM
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/\/udge..

 



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 04/18/2013 09:51 AM
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Same issue here, slightly different configuration:

 

7850, two monitors, not Eyefinity, just duplicated. They are different monitors though, one is an Acer P235H, the other is a Samsung C550 HDTV (both running on 1080p/60Hz). Windows 7 64x, SP1, Catalyst 13.1 (9.012-121219a-154611C-ATI).

Samsung -> HDMI

Acer -> HDMI cable to DVI port via adapter (have also tried all of this with a DVI cable to DVI port and everything I say below is the same)

 

The Samsung runs fine all the time, but the Acer shows this kind of extreme tearing that the OP describes. It's a single tear that's very prominent and it usually slowly travels up and down the screen, and I can see it pretty much anywhere including dragging a window around my desktop as previously mentioned.

Here's the kicker: If I physically disconnect the Samsung (either at the graphics card or at the monitor), the tearing completely goes away. It seems like the card can only properly Vsync one monitor at a time, but in my case it's always the Acer that messes up. Yes, I've tried playing around with Vsync settings and nothing fixes it.

 

Another problem, most likely related: The desktop duplication that I use gives me a ton of trouble, even though it worked perfectly with my old 4870. Lots of strange things happen, e.g. the card will "forget" how to send audio through HDMI to the Samsung, despite me having installed drivers for it (that apparently didn't automatically install when I installed Catalyst - yes I've tried different versions and Driver Sweeper). To fix it I have to disconnect the monitor and reboot my computer before connecting it again.

An issue I ran into just this morning is that I started up my computer with both monitors connected, and for some reason they were set to Extended Desktop and not Duplicate Desktop. I tried switching to Duplicate, and it forced me into 640x480 res. There was no way for me to be in Duplicate without it messing up my resolution. The only way out was, once again, to physically disconnect the Samsung.

Honestly I have no idea what the issue is since this setup always worked perfectly with no tweaking on my 4870. I got the 7850 and have had issues from the get go. Do I have a bad card or is it a bug in the driver?

 

UPDATE: This is so weird, but only a few hours after posting that, I reconnected my Samsung and something felt different... Sure enough, no more tearing, both monitors connected (this is the FIRST TIME I've been able to have both monitors connected and no tearing). However, the HDMI audio is gone again. I disconnected the Acer, still no audio to the Samsung. I disconnected and reconnected the Samsung, suddenly the Samsung gets audio, but the tearing in the Acer is back.

I'm at a loss here.



Edited: 04/18/2013 at 01:23 PM by astarothcy
 04/18/2013 10:00 PM
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I get tearing whenever I overclock my cards on startup. I have to run a 3d app and exit , to get it to stop. I'd love to know whats causeing it in the first place.

It happens on my laptop (duel 7970M's ) and my desktop (duel 7950's). but only on overclocks.



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 04/19/2013 03:06 AM
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I'm not over overclocking 7970.. the CPU was a wee push on it, nothing that would have killed it 3yrs or so.

Mind, it is a Gigahertz Edition. I got it so I don't need to even think about OC'n it. When the times comes I'll get a second.

..IF I get this sorted out soon.

I could understand it if I had 3 mixed screens I don't. All the same. Only one on different interface, and that is known and required.

Nothing unusual. Thats the whole point.

 

grrr...

 



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 04/19/2013 08:50 AM
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UPDATE: This is so weird, but only a few hours after posting that, I reconnected my Samsung and something felt different... Sure enough, no more tearing, both monitors connected (this is the FIRST TIME I've been able to have both monitors connected and no tearing). However, the HDMI audio is gone again. I disconnected the Acer, still no audio to the Samsung. I disconnected and reconnected the Samsung, suddenly the Samsung gets audio, but the tearing in the Acer is back.

 

I'm at a loss here.

 

 

It's a known issue that enabling HDMI audio source AND screen signal could bring you some problems.. If you can't use another audio source, then there's nothing much you can do... Sorry.. isgust;

 

I get some tearing too, but I've been living with it since 10.XX drivers, since my 6870/7850 and now my 7950 with 13.1 CCC, so I'm done..

I think it's like that old movie based on Tom Clancy's book: The Sum of All Fears.. This "tearing" issue seems to be the result of a combination of several things (in my opinion): drivers, OS, hardware, resolutions, and most important: cables and connections used, and monitors. I don't know, maybe that's the way it is..

Some people have it, some doesn't..

 

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 04/19/2013 09:13 AM
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What I don't understand about it is that this exact same setup with my 4870 worked just fine, both in terms of audio and the lack of tearing. I really think it's either some flaw in the way the 7850 was designed, a flaw in the 13.x drivers, or a bad card. I don't even know how to report this to AMD since it's so erratic. Do AMD people read this forum and investigate things?

 04/19/2013 09:18 AM
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They MAY occasionally give a glimpse to this forum, but they won't thorougly read it to find issues to fix, it is mostly a peer to peer forum. If you have issues nobody here can solve, use AMD issue report form, but in MOST cases, problems are caused by the person sitting next to the pc.



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 04/19/2013 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Mkissner

It's a known issue that enabling HDMI audio source AND screen signal could bring you some problems.. If you can't use another audio source, then there's nothing much you can do... Sorry.. isgust;

 

 

I am not using HDMI audio at all, nor do I intend to.

There is a butt load of possible HDMI / audio devices listed in the sound panels and the CCC panels.

..gives me an idea to go disable them all anyway.

 



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...

 

..gives me an idea to go disable them all anyway.

 

 

 

 

Right click on the sound icon in your Windows bar/ Reproduction Devices.. In the Reproduction tab, right click on each sound device which isn't your primary sound device/disable.. Apply..

I've done that each time I reinstall Windows because of the Eyefinity/drivers setup in order to enable only my primary sound card: SoundBlaster X-Fi Xtreme Music; and disable all the HDMI/miniDP/integrated speakers of my screens...

 

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 04/21/2013 03:31 PM
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@Mkissner

I went and disabled any other snd device, before I got yer message, thanx anyway.

I am getting a bit of a hum/noise related to either GPU or CPU as I zoom in/out games 3d mode. As I zoom noisy hum scales with the zoom. CPU or GPU uasge? Dunno.

My tearing seems to be only on Left screen(of 3) with DP>active>DVI port. I seem to recal see'n just that abit before with CF 5870's but so far seems to be off the other two screens. A bit of a relief.

The tearing is still messing with video playback on the desktop, and again only on the Left monitor.

Some relief. More testing still in order.

 



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 04/23/2013 08:44 AM
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I still have tearing, on DT still just on the DR port.

All screens in game.

It rolls up screen slowly like the old Verticle Hold is off a tiny bit. If screens have no motion you cannot see it.

Can't play any of the nicer games at all. Bioshock least of all.

This has to go, or the card does.

 



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 04/25/2013 10:39 AM
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New 13.4 driver -> Still tearing in the same way. This sucks.

 04/25/2013 06:44 PM
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Same with me. Confirmed. And agree totaly!

 

Current plan; will try switching back to old active adapter for tearing test. Possibly on week-end.

 

Currently; tearing confined to desktop on DP now that HDMI audio all gone and disabled (13.1). Still have tearing in game.  (what happened to .2 and .3 drivers?) Updatted to 13.4..

 



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 04/26/2013 09:50 AM
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So... time to submit a support ticket?

 06/14/2013 03:44 AM
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I have the same problem, I have HD7950 OC Eyefinity on 3x27 "Asus (5760x1080) and 2xDP 1xDVI. since no solution, a waste of money.

 06/25/2013 01:10 PM
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   The good news is that there is a knowledge base on this topic. The bad news is there is no practical fix.

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/Screentearingwithmultipledisplays.aspx

  Basically the displayport can't be synchronised with the  DVI port and this causes the horizontal refresh tear. 

  The solution: run all displayport. If you use DVI you have to put up with it.

  This is why I will buy Nvidia unless there is a Radeon 8X video card with 3 or more displayports other wise you are doomed to suffer the tear.

  This is Eyefinitys great secret shame. It seriously mars an otherwise awesome feature but there is hardly anything about it on the web. 

  The reason why it is secret is because if people who bought AMD for Eyefinity found out you need a rare Eyefinity edition or 4 display port video card and all display port monitors (very much in the minority). They would just take the easy solution and buy Nvidia.

  It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't AMD's fault but why on earth would they have people sell video cards with only 2 displayports. It means they are just ignoring the design fault and have no respect for people who wish to use the Eyefinity feature.

  Cards with less than 3 displayports should not be labeled as Eyefinity.

 

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\/\/ell thanx for posting that.. finaly an answer.

To thier shame, as much as I love ATI and Eyefinity, I got to post this on the WSGForum.. <sigh>

To me it was starting to look like an IRQ for the Audio out the DP or HDMI ports was out of sync'.



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