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 07/02/2014 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by: HoneyBadger84 A lot of people like myself use VSync because A: it does eliminate any tearing that might happen on occasion & B: it keeps your GPU from working harder than it needs to with your frame rate capped at 60, thusly lowering power draw & temperatures in games, since you don't actually NEED a game to be running at 200+ FPS.

 

Thats like putting a rev limiter on corvette to only go 55

 



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 07/02/2014 09:41 AM
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Afterburner results on one gpu (frame limiter 60):

 

gpu1: 69° C  85-95%

gpu2: 41° C  0%

mem: 528 mb

d3d9: 45-60 fps

RAM:   3826 mb

 

That results are on a map i explore alone.

The HD 7950 with 1792 shaders, compared to my 1536 shaders (hd6970 gpu) should probably be on par or have slightly better fps, with more things on-screen.

Yea, one hd7950 is probably enough for that game for most of the time, but i would expect the frames to occasionally dip to mid 40's or 50's.

That's when the second gpu will come in handy.

 



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Originally posted by: Earnhardt
Originally posted by: HoneyBadger84 A lot of people like myself use VSync because A: it does eliminate any tearing that might happen on occasion & B: it keeps your GPU from working harder than it needs to with your frame rate capped at 60, thusly lowering power draw & temperatures in games, since you don't actually NEED a game to be running at 200+ FPS.

 

 

 

 

Thats like putting a rev limiter on corvette to only go 55

 

 

 

 

If i wanted a corvette for every day driving, i could sure use an average fuel consumption limiter......... that wouldn't stop me from speeding like hell when i wanted and disabling that, would it ?



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Originally posted by: Earnhardt
Originally posted by: HoneyBadger84 A lot of people like myself use VSync because A: it does eliminate any tearing that might happen on occasion & B: it keeps your GPU from working harder than it needs to with your frame rate capped at 60, thusly lowering power draw & temperatures in games, since you don't actually NEED a game to be running at 200+ FPS.

 

 

 

 

Thats like putting a rev limiter on corvette to only go 55

 

 

 

No, that's like not wasting power & GPU heat running a game at 200+FPS when it's perfectly fine playing at 60.  I'm talking about games like League of Legends, the CoD series, Crysis 1, Metro 2033/Last Light, which can easily be run at 60FPS or thereabouts, and there's absolutely zero reason to run them at a higher frame rate because literally it does nothing but make your power draw & temps go up, while not giving you any meaningful performance gain.

People that don't see the point behind using VSync (especially for older titles or ones that're easy to run) make me wonder how they've avoided burning up hardware...



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Well, FPS gamers usually like to have v-sync off when competing online.

I imagine for input lag reasons.



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Originally posted by: backFireX64 Well, FPS gamers usually like to have v-sync off when competing online.

 

I imagine for input lag reasons.

 

Well yeah, I used to play CoD4 competitively back in the day, and for that we liked to be flatlined at 250FPS as much as possible because going below about 125FPS actually did result in lag issues... think that was more to do with the stupid engine they use for those games though.

But for like LoL & Single Player games like what is mostly I play, VSync simply allows for cooler, quieter & more power efficient gaming.



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But for like LoL & Single Player games like what is mostly I play, VSync simply allows for cooler, quieter & more power efficient gaming.

 

Just logged in to say i agree 100% with that sentence.



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After careful driver setups with a few Tech  male counter parts i have .....I was able to reproduce the frame drop time and time again when in battle. The second GPU made things much worse when Enabling Crossfire on the CCC. This is at odds with it on a single GPU when it drops it does not drop as bad but enough to notice things slow down. Also there is a massive stutter when Crossfire is enabled. I am not happy with this and this is my baby. Each GPU was tested alone in the same rig and memory was tested and CPU stability as well and everything is fine....Nothing gives an error ? I dont get it other then Crossfire isn't as stable for what ever the reason. My motherboard perhaps? My womans touch was not enough...Well in any case i have decided to donate my cards to some friends and start a new rig from the ground up. I will be going a full path the other way. I dont want to have to spend my time trying to figure out if my drivers or my GPU/CPU/MEMORY are bad when everything is fresh out the box and barely gets used....lol

TY for the assist and the great help you guys did provide a noob like me on AMD systems. They may have to work on making things just a bit more  user friendly. It bothers my mind that it has so much power and it doesnt perform to it's capacity...... Again ty for all the help guys..

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Crossfire and SLI are both problematic at best, usually they are useful to enhance the big belt buckle syndrome. Buy a single card that is strong enough to handle the type of games you play at the resolution you play at and lose all the technicalbabble/headaches of crossfire/sli. Using your description of the issue, I would disable the ULPS before giving up. There is a ULPS guide in the FAQ.



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I will do as you asked on the ULPS guide... Also i will get a single card and have it cover all aspects of gaming i want.. It will simplify my situation...TY so much for the help. You and the others have been so great to me. I honestly appreciate it...

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Does sound like you'd be a lot happier with a single GPU that can handle what you're throwing at it better instead of dealing with the pitfalls of Crossfire, especially on a title that obviously doesn't support it properly.



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Well in any case i have decided to donate my cards to some friends

 

I could be your friend............... in a strict platonic way that is............... now and forever..............

 

You should try more games that are known to have a good crossfirex profile, like Crysis 3 and make some comparisons.

It is always a possibility for user error, a bad game engine or bad drivers.

Or a combination of the above.

Which one is not always easy to say.



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I guess i have been one of the lucky ones,Been using crossfire since the 3870 days with no issues that I can remember.I'm a hardcore BF player,so that is my main game.other games I play/played are:BFBC2,BF2,BF3,AVP,FEAR,BF1942,COD(single player or zombies)Half life,Far cry and of course BF4.

Crossfired cards to date:

3870

4850

4870

5850

5870

6950

7870

7950

The only game that I play that doesnt use crossfire is GRID,and for that I just disable one card.



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Dear stomp as always you re correct the game is the issue and i have to get a single card for this game. I honestly love the game and the people in it are amazing as they come. Your guide took me a while and im sorry for that but i did manage to figure it out. I did disable ULPS and there is a huge change in the way the games play. The only game that didnt change was Hawken

But it's ok ill fix it with a single GPU strong enough to counquer it...Hell or high waters it will be tamed by me...lol

Your guide on the ULPS increase performance so much my Unigine score was 2908 or shy of 3,000 at times on ExtremeHD. That is huge from the 2,500 it was before so ty very much and also my Crysis 3 runs so much smoother now. I replayed the jungle scene five times just to make sure i wasn't seeing things in my mind...lol It was awesome to have it play smoother then before. Again you and the other were so kind and ty for the help. It has prepared me for  the future if i have to ever go through it again. I now have knowledge i didn't have before. It is all because of you guys. They should have that at the top of the page as a standard first thing to try before anything else... it worked so well...Again TY very much from the bottum of my

I'll return for questions when i have them. Until then i wish you all the best..

 

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Should i start considering disabling ULPS as well ?

I mean, i've never needed to try, but it sure looks like it is helping a lot of people.

Which it shouldn't have to really, because it negates the purpose to save power draw considerably, especially for crossfirex set ups and dual-gpu cards, in casual use of the pc.

If you are after raw performance though ........ then enjoy and game hard !!!

 



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Originally posted by: Earnhardt
Originally posted by: HoneyBadger84 A lot of people like myself use VSync because A: it does eliminate any tearing that might happen on occasion & B: it keeps your GPU from working harder than it needs to with your frame rate capped at 60, thusly lowering power draw & temperatures in games, since you don't actually NEED a game to be running at 200+ FPS.

 

 

 

 

Thats like putting a rev limiter on corvette to only go 55

 

 

 

Your statement is correct and wrong at the same time...Think of it this way...

Your car goes 55 and it is as high as it goes but when it goes up hill you now have a lot more stress on the engine and now it drops down as it goes up that hill. With the second card you keep that same speed regardless of the hill do to having extra horse power and torque when the first engine gets stress. Maybe im not explaining it correctly but im sure STOMP can clarify my statement if incorrect...TY again everyone...

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Originally posted by: backFireX64 Should i start considering disabling ULPS as well ?

I mean, i've never needed to try, but it sure looks like it is helping a lot of people.

Which it shouldn't have to really, because it negates the purpose to save power draw considerably, especially for crossfirex set ups and dual-gpu cards, in casual use of the pc.

If you are after raw performance though ........ then enjoy and game hard !!!

 

If it ain't broke don't fix it. And most crossfire/sli people are looking for raw power from their gaming rig and electrical cost is secondary. I also agree with honeybadger about verticle sync....most games are optimized for 60fps but can be playable as low as 30fps.



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most games are optimized for 60fps but can be playable as low as 30fps

 

Watch_Dogs disagrees ................ he he



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Originally posted by: backFireX64
most games are optimized for 60fps but can be playable as low as 30fps

 

Watch_Dogs disagrees ................ he he

http://www.inquisitr.com/1309491/watch-dogs-1080p-60fps-pc-settings-ubisoft/



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