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 11/27/2013 11:27 AM
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I can't play games with my 7770 under Ubuntu 13.10 (and Ubuntu Gnome) because there is always some kind of input lag (mostly pretty severe) and very low fps in games which have way lower requirements than 7770 - TF2, Dota 2, Xonotic, some Wine games, even Unigine Benchmark has pretty terrible performance (10 - 20 fps everywhere).

 

I had better performance with GeForce GTS 250 (from 2009 >.< ) than with 7770, by like 150-200% and no input lag or other bugs.

 

I tried:

 

1. Reinstalling whole system.

2. Latest beta, beta before and one from Ubuntu repo.

3. 3.12 kernel.

4. Changing options in CCC.

 

No effect. Vsync is off in both CCC and games.

 

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 11/27/2013 12:24 PM
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Source games: Play around with the advanced mouse settings. You need to find the best raw input/not raw input, acceleration, speed etc. settings. Not the best, I know. You may as well try the open source drivers, they give 50-60 fps easily when it comes to source games.

Xonotic: No idea, never seen it, only in Phoronix reviews. Is it a game or benchmarking software...?

Wine: You have no chance. Wine has such a performance issue that only hardware in 10 years will solve. Then we'll be able to play games from 2000-2005 hopefully. Wine is just crap.

Unigine: The 7770 is not that fast that you can expect a decent frame rate.

GTS 250: No one cares, please take it to the nvidia forums if you feel the need to boast about it.



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 11/27/2013 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by: Eydee Source games: Play around with the advanced mouse settings. You need to find the best raw input/not raw input, acceleration, speed etc. settings. Not the best, I know. You may as well try the open source drivers, they give 50-60 fps easily when it comes to source games.

 

Xonotic: No idea, never seen it, only in Phoronix reviews. Is it a game or benchmarking software...?

 

Wine: You have no chance. Wine has such a performance issue that only hardware in 10 years will solve. Then we'll be able to play games from 2000-2005 hopefully. Wine is just crap.

 

Unigine: The 7770 is not that fast that you can expect a decent frame rate.

 

GTS 250: No one cares, please take it to the nvidia forums if you feel the need to boast about it.

 

 

I can't play games with mouse acceleration.

Xonotic is quake like shooter.

What I meant by mentioning GTS 250 is that before I changed to AMD, I could play those games and benchmarks (aswell as Wine games) at some decent speed like 60+ fps with adjusted settings. With 7770 I can't play at all, cause framerate, no matter what I change in settings, is terrible and input lag makes it all even worse.

No need to be so hostile about it, no one boasting about anything, fact is that Nvidia drivers are pretty much on par with Windows and AMD's are far behind.

I guess it's my fault that I've bought AMD card as Linux user (took a little leap of faith here), but fact is AMD now has my money, I want product I've bought to work properly, is that too much? It's not like they do not officially support Linux, drivers are on their damn main page.

 11/27/2013 02:20 PM
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I hope you did your research before switching. If not, I'll tell you the most important things.

As we all know, Geforce cards are, well, not the best. This is why the serious business for nvidia are Quadro and Tesla cards. These are usually operated under linux, this is why having "perfect" linux drivers have been a must for nvidia for many years. Nvidia would die without them, while they could easily keep going if the whole Geforce family just disappeared. (Remember Fermi?) So the #1 platform for Nvidia is *nix and CUDA, general computing. Gaming is a secondary thing for them.

ATi and then AMD designed the Radeons for gaming and nothing more. Gaming happens on windows. Even today, with Steam for Linux and many indie games ported, gaming still happens on windows. At least if we forget consoles for a while. So the top priority and #1 OS for AMD is windows.

However, AMD is not stupid, they see what is happening at Valve HQ and see what windows 8.x is becoming. So linux support has started. We've seen drastic improvements in the last year. However, it takes more than a year. Nvidia has been optimizing linux drivers for at least 10 years.

This is why there is a difference in nvidia vs AMD linux drivers. There is a 10-year difference. What we had 2 years ago were just "alibi" drivers for the FireGL cards no one ever used.

Give them some time, a few more years, and linux drivers will also beat nvidia linux drivers, just like AMD windows drivers do so to nvidia windows drivers today.

I hope this helps. If you don't like it, you can always switch sides. However, don't forget that whatever card you purchase today will be seriously outdated by the time any serious gaming happens on linux. Even if the SteamBox will be a great success. It'll also need time to evolve.

Until then, keep a windows partition handy, like everyone else. The complete switch is years away, if you're into gaming.



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 11/27/2013 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by: Eydee  ...

 

 

It's all nice, but it doesn't change the fact that I've bought a product which doesn't do what it was suppose to do - run games.

I don't care if AMD is behind or not, why do they "support" Linux if obviously they don't support Linux? Remove fglrx all together from amd.com, put a disclaimer that Linux is not supported and we're good.

Atm this whole situation is no different than buying let's say fridge with minimum temperature of +20C - yes you can use it as a nice shelf, but not how it suppose to be used.

I'm going to stick with this card since I got Win8 copy and it works rly nice there, but it will be the last product I've bought from this company, they obviously not trustworthy.

 11/27/2013 09:45 PM
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You either did not understand what I wrote (ever heard of the law of conservation of energy?) or you mistake me for AMD. Do I look like one?

It's funny when you people think support = lifetime OS support and infinite performance.

Which game is it that you cannot run? Did you notice that Ubuntu 13.10 is not supported? The "disclaimer" you "wanted" is right there.



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 11/28/2013 12:37 AM
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Well, there is an option to build drivers for 13.10 and website states just "Linux", so it is "supported".

Anything else?



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 11/28/2013 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by: gutigen I can't play games with my 7770 under Ubuntu 13.10 (and Ubuntu Gnome) because there is always some kind of input lag (mostly pretty severe) and very low fps in games which have way lower requirements than 7770 - TF2, Dota 2, Xonotic, some Wine games, even Unigine Benchmark has pretty terrible performance (10 - 20 fps everywhere).

 

 

 

I had better performance with GeForce GTS 250 (from 2009 >.< ) than with 7770, by like 150-200% and no input lag or other bugs.

 

 

 

I tried:

 

 

 

1. Reinstalling whole system.

 

2. Latest beta, beta before and one from Ubuntu repo.

 

3. 3.12 kernel.

 

4. Changing options in CCC.

 

 

 

No effect. Vsync is off in both CCC and games.

 

 

 

System:

 

 

 

Ubuntu Gnome 13.10 with all latest updates

 

Phenom II x4 B55 @3.1Ghz

 

Asus M4N68TM LE V2

 

4Gb A-Data 1333Mhz

 

Gigabyte Radeon 7770 Ghz Edition

 

 

Have you tried Ubuntu 12.04?

Looking at the reviews around like Phoronix, the 5000 and 6000 series are the most mature for Linux.  

However if you have an enthusiast card like the new 270X, 280X, and 290(X); or the 7950 or 7970 then it will beat the 5000 to 6000 cards through shear brute power.

The 7770 is pretty weak on its own and is looks to be on par or slower than a 5870

http://www.hwcompare.com/11949/radeon-hd-5870-vs-radeon-hd-7770/

https://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?D1=ATI+Radeon+HD+5870&D2=AMD+Radeon+HD+7770&cols=2

 

The 5870 however has mature driver profiles for Linux though when compared to 7770 which doesn't; and the 5870 can play all games up to Metro LL.  (I did for half the game then upgraded to a 290X; That was on Ubuntu 12.04).

 

So I would suggest try running the LTS which is and always will be the most stable and best supported out of the games available on Steam, Desura, etc.  If you still have issues with 12.04; then unfortunately you will have to upgrade your card or switch to the green camp's offerings which are running on par with Windows.

 11/28/2013 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by: DanglingPointer

 

 

 

Have you tried Ubuntu 12.04?

 

Looking at the reviews around like Phoronix, the 5000 and 6000 series are the most mature for Linux.  

 

However if you have an enthusiast card like the new 270X, 280X, and 290(X); or the 7950 or 7970 then it will beat the 5000 to 6000 cards through shear brute power.

 

The 7770 is pretty weak on its own and is looks to be on par or slower than a 5870

 

http://www.hwcompare.com/11949/radeon-hd-5870-vs-radeon-hd-7770/

 

https://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?D1=ATI+Radeon+HD+5870&D2=AMD+Radeon+HD+7770&cols=2

 

 

 

The 5870 however has mature driver profiles for Linux though when compared to 7770 which doesn't; and the 5870 can play all games up to Metro LL.  (I did for half the game then upgraded to a 290X; That was on Ubuntu 12.04).

 

 

 

So I would suggest try running the LTS which is and always will be the most stable and best supported out of the games available on Steam, Desura, etc.  If you still have issues with 12.04; then unfortunately you will have to upgrade your card or switch to the green camp's offerings which are running on par with Windows.

 

 

I did not tried 12.04, I'm using 13.10 and that's it. Hopefully till 14.04 AMD will fix those issues.

Oh and 5870 has like twice the power consumption of 7770, no thanks.

 11/29/2013 02:19 AM
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A 5870 is a *hell* of alot more powerful then a 7770.. just going to throw that out there. 



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Originally posted by: gutigenIt's all nice, but it doesn't change the fact that I've bought a product which doesn't do what it was suppose to do - run games.

I don't care if AMD is behind or not, why do they "support" Linux if obviously they don't support Linux? Remove fglrx all together from amd.com, put a disclaimer that Linux is not supported and we're good.

Atm this whole situation is no different than buying let's say fridge with minimum temperature of +20C - yes you can use it as a nice shelf, but not how it suppose to be used.

I'm going to stick with this card since I got Win8 copy and it works rly nice there, but it will be the last product I've bought from this company, they obviously not trustworthy.

I'm with you here.  I have two 7990's and a 290x, and none of them can manage to render MythTV video with hardware accel.  My TV starts-stops-starts-stops because the cpu can't keep up.  Hell my 7 year old nVidia -embedded- 9300 played this flawlessly all those years.

Why is it that the most powerful graphics cards on the planet, can not manage to play video like it says specifically in the specs?

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Because they're designed for gaming. Gaming happens on windows. The cards are designed for windows. Linux "support" is only there to shut the mouth of those few who use it. There will be no proper support until linux gaming happens. Support Valve, buy a steambox and all games and it may happen in a few years.



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"Gaming".  You mean warfighting and violent action games which do nothing but train fear, and viciousness.

Why then does it say right there in the specs:

Enhanced Unified Video Decoder 3 (UVD 3)

 

Watch the hottest Blu-ray movies or other HD content at full 1080p (and beyond !) display resolution. Enjoy a feature rich video experience with enhanced Unified Video Decoder 3 (UVD 3), offloading the bulk of the video decoding tasks from the CPU to the GPU allowing for a cooler, quieter and more balanced system.

 

... -None- of this actually works.

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None of it used to work on windows either.  Not everything is decided by drivers and the game its self.  If the platfom doesn't support the same features, or doesnt support them with similar performance, then the game isn't going to behave as it does in windows.

Gaming on linux isn't just a pipe dream anymore, but it's a long way from being seamless.



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That ATI 7770 series is not a good card.  Even the 5770 is a better card.

 

When they released the 7770 cards with 640 Stream Processors where as the 5770 had 800.  I recently picked up two 7770 cards to check them out in CF but to my credit I bought 2 for the price of one at retail +$10.

 

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Zorin 6.2 Ultimate 64bit

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16Gigs Corsair Vengence (4x4) 1600mhz

256g Adata SSDD 2tb Seagate HD.

 

Playing the games you listed well, of course at Medium to High settings depending on the games beefiness.

 

Windows 7 64bit Home Premium(Not setup for dual boot yet and only run as a game console til we get the prize)

Gygabyte 990fxa-UD3

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Originally posted by: Quantum
Originally posted by: gutigenIt's all nice, but it doesn't change the fact that I've bought a product which doesn't do what it was suppose to do - run games.

 

I don't care if AMD is behind or not, why do they "support" Linux if obviously they don't support Linux? Remove fglrx all together from amd.com, put a disclaimer that Linux is not supported and we're good.

 

Atm this whole situation is no different than buying let's say fridge with minimum temperature of +20C - yes you can use it as a nice shelf, but not how it suppose to be used.

 

I'm going to stick with this card since I got Win8 copy and it works rly nice there, but it will be the last product I've bought from this company, they obviously not trustworthy.

 

I'm with you here.  I have two 7990's and a 290x, and none of them can manage to render MythTV video with hardware accel.  My TV starts-stops-starts-stops because the cpu can't keep up.  Hell my 7 year old nVidia -embedded- 9300 played this flawlessly all those years.

 

Why is it that the most powerful graphics cards on the planet, can not manage to play video like it says specifically in the specs?

 

 

I don't know about Myth TV but I have had no problems rendering videos in XBMC, VLC, Mplayer etc using my measly 3870K APU (1080p videos) in a variety of container formats (MKV, MP4, AVI etc)

So not sure why your having rendering problems in mythtv.

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Originally posted by: Heliosurge That ATI 7770 series is not a good card.  Even the 5770 is a better card.

 

I seriously don't give a ***** if this card is good or not in your opinion man. The fact is that under any Ubuntu it gives me three or four times lower performance than under Windows 8.1.

And what do you mean by "playing the games well"? With two 7770 or with one? Which games? What kind of framerate you get (since "well" is very subjective)?

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Originally posted by: gutigen
Originally posted by: Heliosurge That ATI 7770 series is not a good card.  Even the 5770 is a better card.

 

 

 

 

I seriously don't give a ***** if this card is good or not in your opinion man. The fact is that under any Ubuntu it gives me three or four times lower performance than under Windows 8.1.

 

And what do you mean by "playing the games well"? With two 7770 or with one? Which games? What kind of framerate you get (since "well" is very subjective)?

 

 

I am playing the games you listed on (as posted)

 

"Linux System:

Zorin 6.2 Ultimate 64bit

Asus F1A75-M Pro

Apu 3870k

16Gigs Corsair Vengence (4x4) 1600mhz

256g Adata SSDD 2tb Seagate HD.

 

Playing the games you listed well, of course at Medium to High settings depending on the games beefiness"

 

The 2 7770s I haven't used yet.  My APU with no discrete graphics card is playing the games you mentioned at med to high at 1080p with at least 30fps.  I have even recently played Metro Last Light at medium setting (quality bar in middle or slightly past half) Not sure on Res since Metro doesn't give in game option to change res on the linux version.

 

Instead of getting upset research your card, they were not made to be good cards as they don't even match a 5770 card which is 2 series behind.  The opinion you think I have is based on expert reviews found all over the internet.. ie Tom's Hardware and many others.

I would recommend checking to see how a 7850 performs in Ubuntu and if ppl say it's good see if you can sell your 7770 cards and buy one of them.

 

Please remember as linux users we should be more user friendly and leave the swearing to Windows users. 

 

 

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Instead of wine, have you considered PlayOnLinux which is wine+dosbox+install scripts for various games and some notes on settings for others.

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Originally posted by: terryc Instead of wine, have you considered PlayOnLinux which is wine+dosbox+install scripts for various games and some notes on settings for others.

 

 

Hey Terry,  The games he listed are linux native.  He only mentioned Win8 cause he's haveing better performance from the 7770 graphx cards in Windows over Ubuntu.

 

Playonlinux does work pretty good but I think we need to have some options in the scripts to ask or determine which graphx platform..  (AMD, Nvidia, Intell)

 

But granted does make things alot easier.

 

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