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 12/03/2012 08:33 PM
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I've been toying with the idea of getting a new monitor for a while, but I can't seem to find one I really like. This Samsung one is alright, but it's a bit...Well, the colors are just a bit off, and in dim and darkened areas of videos and games, the details just aren't there. This monitor is over 4 years old, bought in November 2008, so there is the lighting degradation factor, and it is a TFT-TN panel (as you know in 2008 IPS panels weren't out there in this size like they are now) so it does have a noticeable vertical color and brightness shift (160° vertical viewing angle my arse). So I'm kinda in the market for one, the kind of "in the market" where if I run across one with a good price I'll buy it.

So with all of that said, anyone have any recommendations based on what they use? I've been looking at the ViewSonic VP2770-LED, but the 12ms response time is quite long, and I've also been looking at the Dell UltraSharp U2410, which is the same 1920x1200 resolution I use now (compared to the 2560x1440 on the Viewsonic), but has a much more acceptable 6ms response time (current Samsung is 5ms and I don't notice any ghosting), and unlike the Viewsonic doesn't feature LED backlighting, BUT has a 33% greater brightness capability (400cd vs 300cd) which will help fight the dimming over time so that helps mitigate the LED advantage. Also the Dell doesn't have a good performance review (color and brightness shift like a TN where other IPS panels don't). LED backlighting isn't the biggest selling point for me, as I am somewhat sensitive to flickering.

But anyone have any recommendations? Only things I require are a resolution of at least 1920x1200, have an IPS (or "better") panel, at least 10 bits per pixel capability (which I believe is implied with an IPS panel anyway) because I do enjoy taking pictures, and DisplayPort because in 2012 there is no reason not to buy a monitor without that compatibility.

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 12/04/2012 12:53 AM
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I wouldn't settle for anything that had less than a 5ms response time. Two (2ms) is ideal...and there are plenty of them. Wait till just before Christmas...that's when I shop...and you can find some really good deals. That said, I am extremely pleased with mine...no issues ever.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824113019



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 12/04/2012 09:09 AM
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I'll pass on that, TFT-TN panel.

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 12/04/2012 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by: black_zion I'll pass on that, TFT-TN panel.

Sorry...I missed the IPS thing.



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 12/04/2012 12:44 PM
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If you want simulated 10bit color, yeah... that's not so hard to find.  There's plenty of 8bit IPS panels out there which can emulate 10bit color.  A display with an actual 10bit panel is going to be expensive... like nosebleed expensive, and unless you calibrate it and go all professional on it you probably won't notice the difference anyway.

Viewing angles I think are the only real advantage to IPS these days.  Color reproduction on a good TN panel is often pretty good.

Anandtech often does monitor reviews... wouldn't hurt to take a peek over there.



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 12/04/2012 04:14 PM
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I'm thinking about biting the bullet and saving up for a big 2560x1600 30 inch display, Dell and HP have good ones, NEC does too, at that size, but at that res it'll make this 5970 cough quite a bit.

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 12/05/2012 09:37 AM
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FWIW, The Dell 24" ultrasharp just came on sale today here in Canada for 250bucks.

 



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 12/05/2012 02:47 PM
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Response time is vastly overrated.  The panels with the lowest advertised response times tend to use a DSP to monkey around with the signal to get it, which introduces display lag.

My HP LP3065 will be five years old in just over a month.  It has a 16ms advertised response time, and I've never seen any kind of ghosting with it. 

I've had a HP ZR30w for a bit more than two years, which is advertised to have 7ms response time.  Still no ghosting.

Neither has a DSP of any kind - not even a built-in scaler.  The result is no detectable display lag (AKA "input" lag).

Both are high color gamut displays, and both need calibration (every monitor needs calibration - zero have correct colors out of the box).  I use a Spyder3 to do that, though I imagine most any hardware unit will work reasonably well.  Using a freeware software calibrator would be better than nothing, too.

The Dell U3011 looks like it has the same panel as the ZR30w, but includes a scaler and HDMI inputs.

I don't know the official dead pixel policy is for either HP or Dell, but my two displays have zero each.

As for how the 5970 will perform at the native 2560x1600, that depends on the game.  Most games will run quite well.  The 1GB of memory will be an obstacle for some games, especially with AA.

 12/13/2012 03:10 PM
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I am quite content with my DELL u2410.  I purchased it because:

Price, 16:10, and IPS

I wanted to go with IPS for colour accuracy for my photography hobby.  The improved viewing angles of the panel also help with colour accuracy.  I also calibrate my display with a Spyder3 Express.

I couldn't afford the $800+ NEC IPS panels (even the ones that aren't 10-bit), and nor did I want to spend that kind of money.  I would love to go to a 30", but again that is cost prohibitive.  Also, you have to figure once you go to a 30", you could never go back so then you corner yourself into always buying a 30". lol

10-bit displays are only really important for very large file, professional photo and print work.

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 12/28/2012 05:44 PM
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Well I bit the bullet and got a HP ZR2440w. It was between this and the Dell U2412, and although the price was $70 higher, the reviews say that the HP is a bit better than the Dell. I really would have loved to go for the big boy 2560x1600, BUT in this age of Eyefinity, I can always pick up a dual monitor stand and another one of these later and have a 3840x1600 display for half the price. It was part of a larger order though, ordered all the parts for a computer I'll build for my uncle to use in his museum (Antec 300, AMD A6-5400K, ECS A55F2-M3, G.SKILL Ares 2x4GB DDR3 1866, 1TB WD Black, Corsair CX430, Windows 7 Professional x64), not a high performer but for videos and other things he will be using it for it'll be by far superior to what he is using now (and old Compaq with a nVidia 7000 series AGP card, 2ghz Socket A Athlon X2). My current Samsung 2433BW I'm going to give to my parents to replace their current ASUS monitor I bought them 2 years ago which is still working very well, and take that ASUS and attach it to this computer for my uncle, who currently has a 1280x1024 tiny VGA LCD monitor.

Now I hope I get a good tax refund to help pay for this $722 order, but more than half of it is going towards my uncle and my parents are getting a better monitor to boot, so it's alright. My worry is that the A6-5400k will have issues with 1920x1080, but he won't be doing any gaming with it, and the reviews show it has great performance in the entertainment tests.

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I would imagine that monitor will be nice. I have always liked HP's monitors. This is the one I got several years ago. People that still see it today are amazed at how good it looks.  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824176090

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Supposedly it will get here Friday, but who knows with FedEx, might get here Friday a year from now...

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If you are thinking on getting another monitor, at least back when I got my HP, some models tend to sell out quick. By the time I was thinking about getting another one the prices were going up quick and fewer and fewer retailers had them. I ended up passing on buying another 1 almost a year later when it was $100 more then I originally paid for it.

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Not planning to until I update my graphics card, which won't be at least until DirectX 12 cards are released, got $16,000 in student loans I'm paying down at a rate of $500+interest each month.

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Well somehow FedEx delivered it this morning, so I get to try it out. I wasn't expecting THAT much difference between this one and my Samsung 2433BW because it was a quality monitor, the only real difference I was expecting was the absence of a color shift at wider angles. Well, the differences extend beyond that, the colors really are more vibrant, and it is quite bright. The only thing that I really miss from my Samsung is this HP doesn't have a quick preset for "text mode" or "internet" to kill the brightness...But that takes about 5 seconds to open the OSD and do it manually (setting a preset in CCC doesn't seem to work). All in all I'm very happy, and recommend it highly.

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Kinda strange it don't have a quick view menu. All I have to do is press a button that is in a row with 4 buttons and press the one that looks like it has a monitor above it which pops up the quick view menu and it allows me to choose movie,photo,gaming,text or custom. The button is marked with a monitor above the button and the actual button itself has a + sign on it.



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Nope, and that was one of the gripes about it, the only thing it has is a source selector. Going to take a while to it that's for sure. Oh, and after gaming on it for a few hours, I don't notice any ghosting or motion blur. How much you want to bet it's just a contrived thing so "hardcore gamers" can have an excuse to spend lots of money on the same stuff we buy? These days anyway.

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How is that new monitor so far? When I  was in the market for a monitor, I went to brick and mortar stores and looked at monitors in person. The one place I went to had like 30 monitors on display, as I went down the line I came up to the HP one and I was like wow, this looks good. totally stood out from the rest. After that I just kept looking for the best prices on the web and finally got it off Amazon with free shipping. I was a little worried about doing it that way due to return ability is a little more of a hassle, but I got lucky and got a good monitor with no dead pixels. Monitors are all about display preference and I like how HP does it on some of their models. 

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 01/08/2013 04:50 PM
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No complaints so far. On the first day about an hour after I posted that I had received it it "crashed", for lack of a better term, it just went blank. It was still receiving a signal as the power LED was still blue, but the power button had no effect. Once I turned the switch off, it wouldn't come back on until after I pulled the power cable and replugged. Hasn't happened again, so I'm guessing it was just a freak thing. HP backs it with a pretty darn good warranty (3 years) plus I get an additional 1 year free extended warranty through American Express. I haven't tried any of the USB ports, don't even have them hooked up because I don't need them, or the HDMI audio passthrough because...I have a sound card and speakers.

Actually, I do have two complaints (aside from the lack of quick brightness controls): The stand is ugly as sin, and, this one is directed at Newegg mostly but at HP too, because neither mentioned that it DOES come with a DisplayPort cable, so I wasted $17.99 on a DP cable. My 5970 came with a mini DP to DP adapter, thankfully I found after about half an hour of scrounging. Not sure if there is any difference in quality between DVI and DisplayPort, I pulled my DVI cable before I thought about it and I can't be arsed to put it back.

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Probably not... the biggest difference with displayport is support for higher resolutions.  All three of my monitors are hooked up using DVI, with one DVI to HDMI converter on the third.



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