Topic Title: New Build--Which CPU??
Topic Summary: APU vs Zambezi/Vishera
Created On: 09/02/2013 09:41 PM
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 09/02/2013 09:41 PM
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Hi all,

I've been in a little bit of a grid lock over my new build. I'm in no hurry, and I've been buying parts that I've wanted over the past month when what I want has gone on sale.

So far I have an EVGA GTX650, a Cooler Master case, an Asus DVDRW and some MX4 compound (was only $6 with free shipping the other day). I know that's not a ton, but I've been sort of stuck on processor, which also leads to stuck on motherboard. I'm deciding between a quad-core APU and a Zambezi/Vishera quad/hexa core CPU.

My sticking factor is that I would LOVE that 65w power usage. Would love it. I want a nice, quiet, efficient ish PC. It's going to be sitting a lot folding. I don't care about the built in video on the APU. I also don't care about the included heat sink because it sounds like they are trash lately no matter what CPU you purchase from AMD.

I would say I'm more concerned with power usage/noise than I am with performance. However, I can't help but notice that, for just a slight little bit more, I could have a six core Bulldozer (?) CPU. I don't want to look back and regret my decision to purchase the lower power CPU for almost the same price.

 

I guess it would help me to hear some thoughts from you guys. It would also help if you guys know of some awesome reviews with benchmarks.

 

I'm pretty interested in

Trinity vs. Richland (again, don't care about built in gpu)
Zambezi vs. Vishera

Trinity/Richland vs Zambezi/Vishera

 

Once I have this decision made, I can continue with the build. I'm planning on a laptop HDD (again, lower power usage) and an 80+ something or other PSU.

 

Thanks for any thoughts!!

 

EDIT: I guess I should specify: I'm looking in the $100 range for a CPU. I've had my eye on the A8-5500 for some time. Thanks!



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 09/03/2013 08:59 AM
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Since you're using a discrete GPU, then you don't need an APU.

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 09/03/2013 11:48 AM
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True, and I hear they are more trouble than they are worth at times. I also hear that socket FM2+ will be coming out, rendering an FM2 board sort of useless, but I'm not sure what the upgrade path is with AM3+ either. (Getting a little sick of all of these sockets).

I'm just worried, I guess, about Zambezi/Vishera running hot. I've got an Opty 165 that runs hot right now and it's just annoying, especially if it's going to be sitting and folding.

EDIT: The other, cheaper option, is to get one of the stripped down "Athlon" APU's without the onboard video. The one I would get is $80 bucks. Hmm.



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 09/05/2013 12:50 PM
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If you want quiet, then yeah... a 65watt CPU is probably the way to go.  All of the Vishera and Zambezi CPUs look like they're 95+, which might be difficult for a heatsink to handle without a lot of noise.  The A10-6800K, or the A8-6500 both look like they could do the job.

The six core chips often have higher clock speeds, and at the moment that's probably where the extra performance comes from.  On the desktop, I don't think you'd see much of a difference between a six core and four core chip of the same clock speed.

For the heatsink, I'd look for a copper heatsink that can take a 120 or 140mm fan.  Copper is a better conductor than aluminum, so you don't have to get a huge one for it to perform well.  A variable speed fan that revs up only when temperatures rise can help with the noise also, but if the system is going to spend its spare time folding, then it may spend most of the time revved up anyway.



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 09/05/2013 01:47 PM
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Ah, thanks for some advice, Mime. Hope you are doing well these days.

I'm starting to think I will just go with an FM2 CPU or APU. The six core was tempting, but I do think I want to stay true to the original purpose of building this machine: a quiet, lowish power PC capable of doing a decent amount of folding.

So it seems that Trinity is based off of Piledriver, which is what Vishera is from. I guess Richland is also Piledriver, just a minor refresh? I'm seeing a couple percentage points here and there with slightly less power usage. In reality, I won't be using the video card aspect of an APU. So that Athlon X4 740 is sort of tempting for the price. I'm not sure if it's worth the extra forty or fifty bucks for a Trinity/Richland APU that's 65w. I'll have to think about that.


And I'll see what heat sinks come on sale.

 

Thanks!!!



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 09/05/2013 04:24 PM
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Might want to look at a closed loop liquid cooler, they perform very well with silent fans.

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 09/05/2013 11:11 PM
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Thanks! I'll have a look, but I have a feeling that will be a little out of my budget.



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 09/06/2013 08:55 AM
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The Corsair H60 is a very capable cooler that clips right to the stock AMD bracket and is currently on rebate for $55 which isn't much more than a performance copper heatsink.

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Yeah I'm good... Busy, but good.

I'd say it just depends on what you can get a deal on.  The biggest difference between Trinity and Richland is in power management.  APUs before Richland had trouble balancing power and performance, so if you want an APU it should probably be Richland.  If you can get a deal on one of those, I'd take it.

However, since they are a bit more expensive, and you don't care about the integrated GPU anyway, getting a deal on a cheaper Phenom or Athlon could work also.  There's a lot of untapped resources in CPUs these days in general, so there's plenty of room to get decent performance from the budget end of the spectrum.



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 09/06/2013 06:20 PM
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I think I actually just missed some deals on a Richland APU, unfortunately. The other unfortunate thing is that the cheapest Richland is $40 more than the Athlon X4 740 Trinity. I'll keep an eye on that.

The whole self-contained liquid cooling system just makes me nervous. I'll probably stick with a half decent air cooler that comes on sale. There's a Cooler Master self-contained for $25 on Newegg but, eh.

We'll see!



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I am totally loving my H80i....  It's silent, efficient, and extremely powerful if I crank it up...  Corsair units are stellar coolers

 

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H80i is wayyy out of my price range Thanks though!



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 10/17/2013 09:12 AM
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Hey guys,

 

I finally have all of the parts in. I got a little impatient at the end, so ordered some things I'm a bit uncertain on. But here's what I have:

A8-6500 Richland

Asrock FM2A88X FM2+

Team 2x4GB DDR3 2133

eVGA GTX650

eVGA NEX650G 80+ Gold 650w PSU

Cooler Master Haf912

 

I'm beginning to see that the PSU is not the best I could have gotten for the money, but it does have a ten year warranty, so I'm hoping it's a quality unit. Also not sure on the board...it's FM2+ which I feel I'd be dumb not to get at this moment, but there were few reviews, and for the price I could have gotten a proven FM2 board.

Anyway, my question to you all is this: can you recommend a good, cheap, quiet cooler? The cooler that AMD included with this APU is insulting, absolutely trash. I'm looking for something that will keep the processor cool while folding, and low noise is of utmost importance. I will not be dropping $50+ on a Corsair watercooling unit.

 

Thanks!



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I would still recommend you spend the extra few dollars on the Corsair H60 or other liquid cooler. For a processor which will be under extreme stress, like folding, you're going to want that extra cooling power. Also, since it seems AMD has no plans to change the heatsink mounting method, it'll come in most handy if you decide to get a higher power processor in the future. And, this comes from someone who used a $35 Xigmatek HDT-S1283 with an aftermarket fan and then with a Delta fan in the southern USA, once you go liquid you will never regret it.

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