Topic Title: Need Help! 6300 server series processor question!
Topic Summary: 6328 8 core 3.2 Ghz or 6348 12 core 2.8 Ghz? What's real difference?
Created On: 10/28/2013 06:48 PM
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 10/28/2013 06:48 PM
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What is really the difference if I buy for about the same price, the Opteron 6328 8 core at 3.2 Ghz, or the Opteron 6348 12 core at 2.8 Ghz?  What is truly more beneficial, more cores at lower frequency, or fewer cores that are higher frequency?                                                                                                                                     I use mainly for Photoshop, Illustrator, Sound Design, After Effects, Premiere, Maya... 3-D creation and rendering frame sequences then creating compilations to output as videos or sound and image files. 

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 10/29/2013 12:02 AM
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I would go with the higher frequency as it usually trumps core count, but I would do a bit of research on those programs as to how well they scale in normal usage to the number of cores available.

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 10/29/2013 07:26 PM
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I appreciate the response and insight. good point on how the multithreading is actually being used on all cores on my current processors.!. have 2 - 4 core Shanghai 2378 at 2.4 Ghz and I notice it seems like I could benefit from faster speed versus the number of cores, even with AfterEffects, it would still process wicked fast but just that much faster, vs spreading the workload, which typically can be handled by fewer cores.  Much Appreciated with a Smile! =]

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 10/29/2013 10:25 PM
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BZ is right, do your research and find out if those programs will benefit from all cores. If they will then the higher core count CPU is the way to go. If not. The lower core count higher frequency is the way to go. 



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 10/30/2013 02:51 AM
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Thanks for the input for the push to do some more research. I found that some programs benefit on more core counts and always with increased frequencies. I've decided to go with the recommendation and get a higher clock speed and fewer cores. Question now is, should I get just 1 or 2! I've become comfortable with having the two Quad-core AMD Opteron Shanghai 2378 2.4 Ghz. I think even if I got same frequency of clock speed and number of cores, that the newer 6300 series would hopefully knock the socks off the 2300 series. What do you think?Side question. I see I have similar graphics card XFX 7850 double D and OCZ Vertex SSD as Black Zion, and was looking at the processors like the AMD FX-9590 8 core 4.7Ghz Black Edition. How would a processor like this compare to the Opteron 6328 8 core at 3.2 Ghz with Turbo Boost up to 3.8 Ghz? I gave it a serious consideration due to price.

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 10/30/2013 09:20 AM
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Don't look to much at TurboBoost, it's really only a factor when one or two cores are loaded, and when there's aftermarket cooling involved. Both are 4 module/8 integer core processors, but if you're not running it 24/7 in a close environment (like, a server) then the FX would be the way to go. However the 8350 would be a better option. Slight tradeoff in speed compared to half the TDP.

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 10/30/2013 10:36 PM
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Then I pose the question, FX-8350 at 4.0 Ghz. Price seems great, wattage is enticing, is yours watercooled or can you cool with traditional fans? Second question is motherboard selection... is it any good, meaning, can you get all the bells and whistles, eg. sata III and latest USB, and have plenty of room for sata III SSDs and HDs into Mobo? Reliably? Stable? Any bottlenecks or lockups? and finally, do motherboards for this processor come with a second socket?

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 10/31/2013 09:06 AM
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I has a Phenom II x4 965 overclocked before I got this board and CPU so I just carried the liquid cooler over. It helps in the Spring-Fall when ambient temps can hit 28-30°C. It ships with AMD's standard 125w cooler. You can look at the assortment of 990FX based boards out there and compare features. And no, AMD does not make a Dual Socket AM3+.

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 10/31/2013 01:29 PM
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Thank you so very much black_zion for all the help. I did quite a bit of research and decided I have no need to scale up to Opterons anymore. also the entire setup is far too expensive. Plus Motherboards for servers typically don't have the nice array of USB 2, USB 3, e-sata, hdmi, firewire outs on back.     You have helped me to make a wise decision and get a system started with a more reasonable component set, mobo, processor, etc.  I think I will go with standard cooling fan/heatsink sent to me, unless a better one pops its head out. I really don't want to go watercooling at all. just not interested. I can see the benefits though.    And finally a motherboard question,,,I've seen your Sabertooth and is quite nice. I like the Gigabyte GA-990-FXA-UD3,,, do you have info or insightful knowledge on this board vs Sabertooth? I like because the outputs  and the number of them.

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 10/31/2013 01:37 PM
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I forgot to mention that I watched newegg.tv info on the processor FX-8350 Vishera 4.0 Ghz 8 core socket AM3+ that you mentioned you like. I can see now why you like it. I have decided this will be the processor I will go with. I read a review of somebody doing same work/programs like me, Photoshop, Video Editing, Sound Design, etc,. and he said this processor "Smoked"! So with all that, thanks. I'm impressed on this forum as well. Without you guys I'd still be pulling my shaved head hairs out! Thanks to all the fellow component gurus 

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 10/31/2013 01:39 PM
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When he said the processor "Smoked"! I hope he didn't mean it was working so hard, it overheated!!! I don't think that is the case though. funny thought.

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 10/31/2013 02:20 PM
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I got this board because it had PCIe 3.0 capability which would make it reasonably future proof. Gigabyte is supposed to be a good brand, I've never used them so I can't comment on how good they are.

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 10/31/2013 10:01 PM
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Well I have nothing bad to say about the board I have ATM, Since I have Asus, MSI , Gigabyte boards atm. None have given issue's. All have been running overclocked CPU's for over a year now. Still going strong. 



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 11/01/2013 10:31 AM
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A Big Thank You to black_zion and Vantharas for your help. I'll leave you guys alone now. I found all the parts, I think, to complete this next build. It would have taken a whole lot longer without some knowledgeable input! Cheers.

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