Topic Title: The Debate (Poll) - R9 295x2 vs Matched second card vs Devil 13
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 06/30/2014 07:10 AM
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So yeah... a summary of what led to these being my upgrade options can be found here if you have an OCN account please feel free to vote in the poll there: 

http://www.overclock.net/t/149...-or-devil-13-290x2-new

Basically, I'm selling three of the four R9 290Xs I have, one because it runs way hotter than the rest and the other two because they are two stock blower cards and while I can keep fhwm cool, their noise level when I'm not using headphones is tiresome. 

This means one thing, what should I get to be my more long term (looking to get over a year of use out of it) final upgrade, out of these options:

Option 1: a new or silently used R9 295x2, either to use by itself or potentially in TriFire with the Gigabyte R9 290X I'm keeping. 

Option 2: get a matched Gigabyte R9 290X WindForce, new or used, and save the rest I'd be spending for something else. 

Option 3: the prestige option. Get one of the mere 250 made. The PowerColor Devil 13 R9 290X2.

Each has inherent benefits and drawbacks as discussed over at that thread. Specs are in my signature, PSU is not a concern etc.  I will be planning on some eyefinity in the future but currently I'm playing at 1080p on a 52" LED LCD HDTV. 

For those unfamiliar with the Devil 13, enjoy these, try not to drool:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814131584

Here's some of the 4 reviews I read on it that led me to think it's a great deal because A: It outperforms/performs the same as the R9 295x2, B: runs cooler/as cool as it & C: is simply more awesome... it comes with it's own support jack ffs lol: 

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/2014/06/powercolor-devil13-r9-290x2-graphics-card-review/

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/powercolor_devil13_dual_core_r9_290x_8gb/

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/66784-powercolor-devil-13-r9-290x-dual-core-review.html



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 06/30/2014 08:56 AM
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4 290X cards to play at 1920x1080 when a single 290X has the power to do that and Crossfire scaling can be 0%? You sure you're not trying to overcompensate for something?

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 06/30/2014 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by: black_zion 4 290X cards to play at 1920x1080 when a single 290X has the power to do that and Crossfire scaling can be 0%? You sure you're not trying to overcompensate for something?

 

Didn't get them all at once as the thread talks about, you're wrong about 1080p running fine on one card, and you obviously (cuz I'm new here) don't know me, so let me just link to these:

http://www.trubritarforums.com/index.php/user/4723-honey-badger/

https://forums.geforce.com/member/1763309/

http://www.overclock.net/u/414172/honeybadger84

O_o lol

 

Also as I said, eyefinity of the 1080p x3 is the plan eventually.

 



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 06/30/2014 09:29 AM
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Why not get a single 4K monitor?

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 06/30/2014 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by: black_zion Why not get a single 4K monitor?

I'm running a 52" TV like I said, plan to run it til the LEDs run out (or I finally want a new one, still wishing I'd stuck with the 46" I had a few years ago that I resold).  The advantages of 4K (not having to run AA etc) don't really justify the additional hardware requirements etc in my opinion yet.

I still have the two monitors I used along side the TV to do Eyefinity & previous to that, Surround, last time I ran it, I'd just have to set it back up, so the cost to go "back to" Eyefinity, so to speak, is pretty much zero, other than figuring out what my final Video Card setup is going to be.  Not to say I haven't thought about it though, I honestly don't even know what the price range is on 4K monitors as I'm just not that interested (yet).



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 07/01/2014 05:00 PM
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Seems people don't frequent this part of the forum very often eh?

Really hope some more opinions come in.

At present, my VisionTek card is outbound (sold today) & both XFX Core Editions are also gone (have bids, will sell tomorrow), and I have a Sapphire Tri-X OC version incoming to pal with the Gigabyte card until the Devil 13 can be had, if it doesn't go out of stock by then.

If anyone's interested in picking up either of the XFX Core Editions, they can be found here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/301229346277 & http://www.ebay.com/itm/301229347739



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 07/01/2014 05:59 PM
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hey man! go for the 295x, im using one right now on my eyefinity setup and is amazing!

very quiet and very good performance!

performance might be similar (but better) than 2 290x cards but the liquid cooling makes it a winner! (and the 1-2% better performance overall) 

also the 290x2 looks loud

so as an owner of 295x2, I vote for it!

 

PD:

trifire is not very usefull, check some benchmarks and having 2 or 3 cards makes nor a very big difference..sell the 3rd card and keep only the 295x2

 

cheers!



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 07/01/2014 06:42 PM
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I know well the power & pitfalls of TriFire, I've run it before with 7970s & several times since coming in to 3-4 R9 290Xs.  The thing about TriFire when using a dual GPU card, like the 295x2 or the Devil 13 if I get it, is it works better that way because it's less data being transmitted over the board, so to speak, with 2 GPUs talking & transmitting through a single PCI-E slot.

Drawbacks to the 295x2 include: not much OCing room; I'd have to figure out where the heck to put the radiator as I'm not putting it on the back of my system (nor would it fit, I think... might be wrong about that though); & lastly, it vents back in to the case from the front end, which would mean I'd have to rearrange my entire airflow profile to account for that.  Granted, most of the heat is handled by the liquid blocks, but still.

The Devil 13 isn't that loud with the normal fan profile on, and TBH noise doesn't bug me, as I game with headphones on 95% of the time, I've run the XFX Core Editions I have at 100% fan several times while gaming & benchmarking... so noise is negligible in terms of me considering it a negative.



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 07/01/2014 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by: HoneyBadger84
Originally posted by: black_zion 4 290X cards to play at 1920x1080 when a single 290X has the power to do that and Crossfire scaling can be 0%? You sure you're not trying to overcompensate for something?

 

 

 

Didn't get them all at once as the thread talks about, you're wrong about 1080p running fine on one card, and you obviously (cuz I'm new here) don't know me, so let me just link to these:

 

http://www.trubritarforums.com/index.php/user/4723-honey-badger/

 

https://forums.geforce.com/member/1763309/

 

http://www.overclock.net/u/414172/honeybadger84

 

O_o lol

 

 

 

Also as I said, eyefinity of the 1080p x3 is the plan eventually.

 

 

 

I dont know bud,I was running 3 1920X1200(5760X1200 Eyefinity) Samsungs with crossfired 6950's playing BF3 on Ultra and staying around 45 Fps.

So I still dont Believe 1 R9 290X is that much of an issue running Eyefinity on 3 1080p monitors.



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 07/02/2014 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by: Earnhardt

 

I dont know bud,I was running 3 1920X1200(5760X1200 Eyefinity) Samsungs with crossfired 6950's playing BF3 on Ultra and staying around 45 Fps.

 

So I still dont Believe 1 R9 290X is that much of an issue running Eyefinity on 3 1080p monitors.

 

Musta been some special hardware or after drivers & updates of the game made it way easier to play on Ultra, because back 2 years ago when I played BF3 on Eyefinity, 2 7970s could barely push it at 3x 1080p.  

You're severely underestimating how hard newer games are to play at Eyefinity resolutions I think.  You should look up some newer reviews of games like Crysis 3, BF4 etc on 3x1080p or higher resolutions, 1 R9 290X simply does not cut it.



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 07/02/2014 03:15 PM
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Never a dual-gpu-on-same-pcb-card again, unless i have the spare money for the consequences.

 

That Devil though ......

 

I would eventually try the tri-fire with the devil one

Or, three R9 290X liquid cooled.

 

There are other options, to sell all cards and go talk about it on another forum ...........



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Originally posted by: backFireX64 Never a dual-gpu-on-same-pcb-card again, unless i have the spare money for the consequences.

 

 

 

That Devil though ......

 

 

I would eventually try the tri-fire with the devil one

 

Or, three R9 290X liquid cooled.

 

 

There are other options, to sell all cards and go talk about it on another forum ...........

 

I don't have any plans to go NVidia again anytime soon if ever because their product is overpriced crap compared to AMD, flat out.

For now, the 2 XFX cards & the VisionTek (thank f*** that thing is gone) will be shipping out today/tomorrow morning, they all sold on EBay (gained money on the XFX card resale, lost a bit on the VisionTek but glad to be rid of it).

I have a Sapphire Tri-X OC R9 290X on the way that I got for a steal & was barely used if the seller can be believed, that'll be paired with the Gigabyte for some quiet 290X Crossfire action until I can get all this money going in and out settled & get the Devil 13, which should be in ~2 weeks.

Then, I'll most likely test it by itself, and see how it acts with the Gigabyte or Sapphire as it's buddy in a TriFire configuration, at that point I'll hook back up the other 2 monitors & give Eyefinity a go again.  The sweet thing about that will be, for games I actually need the 3rd GPU I can enable it, and for games that I just wanna play on one monitor, or those that don't work well with TriFire etc, I can simply use one card, or 2 GPUs... at least according to what I've read I should be able to.

Still debating if I want to have the 290X or the Devil 13 as the primary card in that setup.

The sweet thing will be I can do some more QuadFire testing, if I want to, before I decide whether to resell the Gigabyte or the Sapphire (odds are the Sapphire will be the one that goes, this Gigabyte card is too good at it's job, so quiet & runs so cool it's nuts).

Sad to see the Core Editions go, they were fun despite their leaf blower fans.



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 07/03/2014 04:55 PM
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Do you think the amd drivers would get the better raw performance, or the nvidia ones ?

It's a trick question.



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Originally posted by: backFireX64 Do you think the amd drivers would get the better raw performance, or the nvidia ones ?

 

It's a trick question.

 

 

In terms of overall or specifically dealing with 3-4 card solutions?



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 07/04/2014 08:31 AM
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Both.

It's still a trick question.

(i'm being an a$$, aren't i ? he he }



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Mmm. lol

It seems my Sapphire Tri-X OC, which just arrived yesterday, already has a twin on the way... $335 shipped for one used less than 2 months (cuz his computer's motherboard took a dump & he can't afford to fix it now), couldn't resist. X_X lol Guess the Gigabyte is going to be the next one out the door... does this delay the Devil 13? Hard to say.



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 07/04/2014 10:42 AM
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My personal opinion is that the nvidia drivers are more stable and mature for gaming but for everyday use as well.

One-two clicks ahead.

I agree with the price policy though.

3000 euro for titanz........ really ???

 

Now, give us some Devil numbers !!!!!!!!!!!!



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Originally posted by: backFireX64Now, give us some Devil numbers !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Still another 13 days + delivery time before I'll have the Devil 13, and that's IF I make the final decision to go with it once the funds are allocated and I'm 100% sure I want to go that route.

Edit: AND that's assuming it's still in stock. lol

Edit 2: just had a good rofl, on top of it coming with a free mouse (that still makes me giggle, like WTF, of all things, a free gaming mouse... why?), it now comes with a 120GB SSD free! lolol It's a Samsung Evo as well, so it's not a POS SSD either.

Edit 3: Awww they updated it from being Standard Return Policy to VGA Replacement Only Return Policy... sadface.



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